**NEW** LSx conversion oil pan
10-26-2005, 08:31 AM
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My name is Chris. I know i am not in your prime market. I enjoy making my own stuff. That is part of the hobby for me. I do however know a nice part when i see one. All of your products are nicely constructed.
So you say you take a stock 3 bolt mount, flip it upside down and then bolt it to the LS1. Are you aligning the single hole on the flipped mount with the boss already on the block or are you moving it forward of the boss on the block? did this raise or lower the engine?
by looking at this pic it looks like that would raise the engine which would decrease on the handling of the car. it would however make adding AC to your track car easier. it may also make the T56 install harder due to lack of tranny tunnel space.
Just how much farther does your mount move the engine back over the S&P mounts?
and is this basically your conversion plate but flipped?
if so then it looks like any one using the S&P style mount would be able to use your pan IF the front part of the sump was not any lower then the original.
My name is Chris. I know i am not in your prime market. I enjoy making my own stuff. That is part of the hobby for me. I do however know a nice part when i see one. All of your products are nicely constructed.
So you say you take a stock 3 bolt mount, flip it upside down and then bolt it to the LS1. Are you aligning the single hole on the flipped mount with the boss already on the block or are you moving it forward of the boss on the block? did this raise or lower the engine?
by looking at this pic it looks like that would raise the engine which would decrease on the handling of the car. it would however make adding AC to your track car easier. it may also make the T56 install harder due to lack of tranny tunnel space.
Just how much farther does your mount move the engine back over the S&P mounts?
and is this basically your conversion plate but flipped?
if so then it looks like any one using the S&P style mount would be able to use your pan IF the front part of the sump was not any lower then the original.
Last edited by SatisTraction; 10-26-2005 at 08:46 AM.
10-26-2005, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve1969LS1
Hey Tyler.. Nice pan.. I hope to run it on Penny 
So, with this pan you HAVE to run a remote oil filter.. right?
See ya at SEMA.. the first beer is on me..
So, with this pan you HAVE to run a remote oil filter.. right?
See ya at SEMA.. the first beer is on me..
-Matt
10-26-2005, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 1fastWS6
If that pan is steel, what is it coated with? Is it just a zinc coating of some type or a HTC or other powder coating?
Also, what's the spindle for? Looks similar to a 1st gen. F-body spindle.
Also, what's the spindle for? Looks similar to a 1st gen. F-body spindle.
-Matt
10-26-2005, 08:16 PM
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Two questions -
1 - What is the measurement from the pan rail to the bottom of the front part of the pan and also to the lowest point of the sump?
2 - What is that spindle / hub for? Is that to put big brakes on a A/G-body?
Bill
1 - What is the measurement from the pan rail to the bottom of the front part of the pan and also to the lowest point of the sump?
2 - What is that spindle / hub for? Is that to put big brakes on a A/G-body?
Bill
10-26-2005, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Monza355
Two questions -
1 - What is the measurement from the pan rail to the bottom of the front part of the pan and also to the lowest point of the sump?
2 - What is that spindle / hub for? Is that to put big brakes on a A/G-body?
Bill
1 - What is the measurement from the pan rail to the bottom of the front part of the pan and also to the lowest point of the sump?
2 - What is that spindle / hub for? Is that to put big brakes on a A/G-body?
Bill
10-26-2005, 10:08 PM
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Somebody get that bad boy in an S-series frame and see how it fits. I want a 6.0L, but don't wanna run the truck pan that hangs down under the frame by almost 2"!!!
10-26-2005, 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ZZ4Blazer
Somebody get that bad boy in an S-series frame and see how it fits. I want a 6.0L, but don't wanna run the truck pan that hangs down under the frame by almost 2"!!!
-Matt
10-26-2005, 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by SatisTraction
.......... did this raise or lower the engine?
Originally Posted by SatisTraction
.......... by looking at this pic it looks like that would raise the engine which would decrease on the handling of the car.
Originally Posted by SatisTraction
.......... it would however make adding AC to your track car easier. it may also make the T56 install harder due to lack of tranny tunnel space.
Originally Posted by SatisTraction
.......... Just how much farther does your mount move the engine back over the S&P mounts?
Originally Posted by Steve1969LS1
So, with this pan you HAVE to run a remote oil filter.. right?
Originally Posted by 1fastWS6
If that pan is steel, what is it coated with? Is it just a zinc coating of some type or a HTC or other powder coating?
Originally Posted by ls1_chevelle
Its pretty universal except for us C4 brake guys, no one makes a mount to adapt to the spindle(from what I have read).
What is the measurement from the pan rail to the bottom of the front part of the pan and also to the lowest point of the sump?
I want a 6.0L, but don't wanna run the truck pan that hangs down under the frame by almost 2"!!!
10-27-2005, 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ls1_chevelle
Dude, Camaro LS1 pan bolts right over....Thats what I did in my car.
-Matt
-Matt
I think that pan might be my best bet for a minimal cutting, and the most clearance.
10-27-2005, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by chicane
In reference to what ?? This engine package did not come in this chassis originally, so there isnt much to compare it to. It is however, lower than it would be with a factory pan.... and we still have plenty of room.
Not hardly. If it were, it would be infinitesimal.
AC isnt a problem nor are there any tunnel issues.
We'll just call it close. I dont suggest the use of solid engine mounts to anyone running an LSx engine package.... unless your not going to use the knock sensor.
Not hardly. If it were, it would be infinitesimal.
AC isnt a problem nor are there any tunnel issues.
We'll just call it close. I dont suggest the use of solid engine mounts to anyone running an LSx engine package.... unless your not going to use the knock sensor.
drag racers used to raise the engine to raise the center of gravity to make the car hook better.
granted i do not this the 1-2" that your mounts will raise it will make the car roll to much more. it just seems that if you are spings $1000's to buy the best spindles, exhaust, springs, ETC then it would be STUPID to raise the engine at all.
i really think your mounts and the S&P will position the engine the same distance from the firewall, theirs is just lower.
i am curous about the tunnel thing. people have trouble using the 1/2" drop body bushings. how much room do you have to spare?
thanks
chris
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10-27-2005, 11:21 AM
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How many quarts of oil does it hold?
That pan initially looked attractive as I road race my car hard.... and my current solution is to run 7 quarts.... no problems yet. My car pulls 1.13g's on a 200ft skidpad on MichPilotSportCups. With Hoosiers I'm hoping for more.
For $499.... I think your price is about $150-200 too high. I realize that it is a niche product and small market... but this is made from steel and not some aluminum fab'd creation. The ports for oil drain back are nice and the oil cooler provisions are as well...
Motivate me to not buy the LG Motorsports oil cooler CnC'd adapter and keep adding in an extra quart of oil to my stock pan. $500 is a lot to swallow.
-Mark
That pan initially looked attractive as I road race my car hard.... and my current solution is to run 7 quarts.... no problems yet. My car pulls 1.13g's on a 200ft skidpad on MichPilotSportCups. With Hoosiers I'm hoping for more.
For $499.... I think your price is about $150-200 too high. I realize that it is a niche product and small market... but this is made from steel and not some aluminum fab'd creation. The ports for oil drain back are nice and the oil cooler provisions are as well...
Motivate me to not buy the LG Motorsports oil cooler CnC'd adapter and keep adding in an extra quart of oil to my stock pan. $500 is a lot to swallow.
-Mark
10-27-2005, 10:42 PM
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Chris- I see where your going with that now......... and it makes more sense. But I can say, S&P's mounts are not any lower than or mounts. I do agree with the 1/2" drop sub frame bushings providing major headaches and requiring tunnel modification. I wish I had some available pictures to share, but do not..... although there is about a 'fingers' amount of space around the transmission and tunnel with stock height alloy bushings.
Uh, Mark- This price includes custom hardware, a factory GM pan gasket and the pick up is also included. It also has features that NO stock offering can provide.... and yup, you guessed it, that costs more money too. Anyway, custom pans dont cost (even us) the $300 that you would like to spend.... they cost more. So, I dont know what to tell you other than...... geeze, with the math I have done above that takes the pan price down to around $370.00. Kinda right where you were looking to spend.
Secondly, a fabbed alloy pan doesnt make much sense, especially since lSx engine oil pans are actually a structural part for the engine.... and the fact that it is on the smarter side of intelligent, because its on the bottom of the chassis where debris can hit it.
And on a final note. An LSx engine doesnt require more than about 2/3's of the oil a first or second gen engine....... even at +1.5 G's. But, since there is provisions for a remote mount and a cooler..... depending on how you plummed it, it could have more capicity than your stated 7 qts..... which by the way, is complete overkill. If you have any specific questions about oil capicity requirements, I will refer you to Wegner Automotive Research. They have been doing years of research, development and field deploying the LSx engine package in every division of NASCAR (excluding Cup) with near perfect results in and above +1.5G operation. I was made aware of the LSx's special oil 'needs' while discussing the idea of the pan in which we created. You could almost say "co-engineered" as our pan has now been picked up by GM Coorporate (performance division) for use on their 'crate engine' package for the left hand turn guys.
And in actaulity, Canton and Avaid get more than $600.00 for a pan of this nature.........
**EDIT.... also read this post :https://ls1tech.com/forums/conversions-swaps/399087-ls1-harness-67-camaro.html
Uh, Mark- This price includes custom hardware, a factory GM pan gasket and the pick up is also included. It also has features that NO stock offering can provide.... and yup, you guessed it, that costs more money too. Anyway, custom pans dont cost (even us) the $300 that you would like to spend.... they cost more. So, I dont know what to tell you other than...... geeze, with the math I have done above that takes the pan price down to around $370.00. Kinda right where you were looking to spend.
Secondly, a fabbed alloy pan doesnt make much sense, especially since lSx engine oil pans are actually a structural part for the engine.... and the fact that it is on the smarter side of intelligent, because its on the bottom of the chassis where debris can hit it.
And on a final note. An LSx engine doesnt require more than about 2/3's of the oil a first or second gen engine....... even at +1.5 G's. But, since there is provisions for a remote mount and a cooler..... depending on how you plummed it, it could have more capicity than your stated 7 qts..... which by the way, is complete overkill. If you have any specific questions about oil capicity requirements, I will refer you to Wegner Automotive Research. They have been doing years of research, development and field deploying the LSx engine package in every division of NASCAR (excluding Cup) with near perfect results in and above +1.5G operation. I was made aware of the LSx's special oil 'needs' while discussing the idea of the pan in which we created. You could almost say "co-engineered" as our pan has now been picked up by GM Coorporate (performance division) for use on their 'crate engine' package for the left hand turn guys.
And in actaulity, Canton and Avaid get more than $600.00 for a pan of this nature.........
**EDIT.... also read this post :https://ls1tech.com/forums/conversions-swaps/399087-ls1-harness-67-camaro.html
10-28-2005, 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by 67RSCamaroVette
Very nice products, chicane. I'd buy everything you've got if i had the budget for it. But i'm only 17 working minimum wage. Maybe my next project. 
olly
But i'm only 17 working minimum wage. Maybe my next project. olly