LSX oil pans
09-19-2013, 02:52 PM
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09-23-2013, 04:35 PM
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Nice work detective. The Holley pan you saw there will be an additional pan in our lineup and does not replace the existing pan, which has advantages over the new design when you can use it (mainly stroker crank capability and the ability to run a full-length windage tray). The new pan, as you suspect was designed to improve engine inclination angles and components clearances in LS swaps that have been proven to need them, i.e. 1st gen F-bodies and Chevelles. For cars like 2nd-gen Camaros, you can use either one. The oil capacity is 6.2 quarts including the filter.
Looks like this will work better than the original Holley pan on my 69 Camaro correct?
09-23-2013, 08:58 PM
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Hey Todd, do you know when this pan will be available? I just called Holley and they said its not in the system to order yet. The guy I spoke to told me it will be part # 302-2.
Looks like this will work better than the original Holley pan on my 69 Camaro correct?
Looks like this will work better than the original Holley pan on my 69 Camaro correct?
09-24-2013, 07:09 AM
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The official release date is not known at this point as development is still ongoing related to manufacturing issues. I can tell you that this new pan is absolutely the way you want to go in a 1st-gen F-body unless you need stroker crank capability and are willing to notch the engine crossmember to get it. If you want an oil pan that holds 6.2 quarts of oil (with the filter), clamshell style engine mounts, headers and exhaust systems that deliver a 3 degree engine inclination angle, proper oil pan to tie rod end clearance without jamming the engine up against the firewall and the best ground clearance available then you'll need to remain patient while we get over the hump with all these components. I can tell you that the oil pan will be released last, so if you are waiting on it to finish a project tomorrow or in the next couple of weeks, it's not going to be available for you to do so.
Keep us updated if you hear anything about the release and when it will be available.
09-24-2013, 09:34 AM
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Here's some install images of the new Holley oil pan for you 1st-gen F-body guys. The two side shots show the tie rod to oil pan clearance at full steer in both directions and the other image shows the pan-to-crossmember clearance at the front of the car. I thought it would be useful to also give you some dimensional information to go along with these photos to compare the new pan to the current Holley pan...the new pan is 1-1/4" tall at the front compared to 2-3/8" tall for the existing pan. Since the clearance between the new pan and the crossmember is 3/4", you would have to provide a minimum 1/2" deep notch in the crossmember to run the current Holley pan at the same engine height and clear the crossmember with 1/8" minimum clearance to spare. I don't know if frame stands and swap plates will even let you go this low with the motor, but our new proprietary clamshell mounts will.
09-24-2013, 11:27 AM
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The engine is slightly forward of the stock bellhousing location by intentionally placing the cylinder heads in a natural appearing position in relation to the firewall. Just as GM would not have jammed the engine up against the firewall if the car was originally designed for an LS engine we also were against do so; we also found better clearances for just about all components involved by moving the engine forward slightly. With this positioning, the clearance issues between the servo cover on a 4L60 and the tunnel are gone, clearance issues with an auto transmission dipstick are gone, header tube collision with the steering box is gone without having to raise the motor, SB heater core compatibility issues are gone, A/C evaporator housing clearance issues are gone and finally steering centerlink/tie rod to oil pan clearance issues are gone without having to use a notched 4th-gen F-body pan and give up oil capacity (when using the new Holley pan). The common approach of using frame stands and swap plates will not provide this improved geometry, so we developed our clamshell retrofit mounting kit specifically for this application, which allows you to drop the engine right in without breaking a sweat or have to mumbling curse words under your breath. Here are 2 images that clarify the position and mounts for you. And yes, I almost forgot to mention that the new pan uses a 3/4 length windage tray just like the 4th-gen F-body pan does.
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09-24-2013, 12:08 PM
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Here's the comparative CAD models and dimensions of both of the Holley pans I've prepared for this thread. I hope this is useful to those considering the purchase of either pan. For you 2nd-gen F-body swappers you are in luck as both pans easily install into that application without modification. For all the GM muscle car LS swap applications I've seen thus far, the new pan would deffinately be a better option for 1st-gen F-bodies and also all the A-body cars.
09-24-2013, 12:12 PM
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10-05-2013, 07:08 PM
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The engine is slightly forward of the stock bellhousing location by intentionally placing the cylinder heads in a natural appearing position in relation to the firewall. Just as GM would not have jammed the engine up against the firewall if the car was originally designed for an LS engine we also were against do so; we also found better clearances for just about all components involved by moving the engine forward slightly. With this positioning, the clearance issues between the servo cover on a 4L60 and the tunnel are gone, clearance issues with an auto transmission dipstick are gone, header tube collision with the steering box is gone without having to raise the motor, SB heater core compatibility issues are gone, A/C evaporator housing clearance issues are gone and finally steering centerlink/tie rod to oil pan clearance issues are gone without having to use a notched 4th-gen F-body pan and give up oil capacity (when using the new Holley pan). The common approach of using frame stands and swap plates will not provide this improved geometry, so we developed our clamshell retrofit mounting kit specifically for this application, which allows you to drop the engine right in without breaking a sweat or have to mumbling curse words under your breath. Here are 2 images that clarify the position and mounts for you. And yes, I almost forgot to mention that the new pan uses a 3/4 length windage tray just like the 4th-gen F-body pan does.
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10-06-2013, 11:07 AM
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10-07-2013, 03:36 PM
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Hey Randy, this is the only shot I could find that gives some sort of reference in determining the distance from the block to the radiatior with the new Hooker 1st-gen F-body mounts...you can see that the machined front surface of the block is just behind the front edge of the engine crossmember. The actual amount of clearance anyone has between the engine and radiator/support is going to depend on what accessory drive components you are using in your swap, with the Corvette offset offering the most, the F-body offset the 2nd most and the truck offset offering the least.
10-11-2013, 12:49 PM
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The earliest you are going to see any of the 1st-gen stuff start to show up on the shelves is around the SEMA show next month. I just dropped off the completed welding fixtures for the exhaust systems yesterday at our production facility and we will have the welding fixtures for the mid-length and long-tube headers also there by the 25th of this month. The first items you will see available are the engine mount kit and transmission crossmembers as it's primarily a packaging operation to get them on the shelf with very little manufacturing required on our end.
10-12-2013, 10:18 PM
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The earliest you are going to see any of the 1st-gen stuff start to show up on the shelves is around the SEMA show next month. I just dropped off the completed welding fixtures for the exhaust systems yesterday at our production facility and we will have the welding fixtures for the mid-length and long-tube headers also there by the 25th of this month. The first items you will see available are the engine mount kit and transmission crossmembers as it's primarily a packaging operation to get them on the shelf with very little manufacturing required on our end.
10-13-2013, 08:12 AM
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