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Old 02-17-2008, 09:00 PM
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Default Surge/bucking 2500 rpm and lower in all gears?

I have a 99 6-speed with a 413 ci. with a 251/257 dur.@600 Lift 114 LSA cam,Stage 3 ported heads w/ 2.08 intake 1.65 exhaust valves, oz700 clutch, LS6 MAF, LS2 ported intake, LS2 ported 90mm TB, 42# inj., SLP long tubes, X-pipe and borla cat-back. I just dyno tuned the car today. The problem im having is a low RPM surge around 2600 rpm and lower, in all gears. The problem was present before the tune and is still there, the tuner did all he could to fix the problem with no luck. Could it be something other then cam surge? After 2600 rpm the car is a beast and runs great. Any help would be great.

Plus the car has a really hard time starting up. It threw up a cam position sensor code. any ideas? And were is it located?
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The bucking sounds like a big cam type of issue but then again I'm not so sure that's really a big cam for a 413. Speaking of which you put down 443RWHP on a dynojet or mustang dyno? Seems a little low for your extensive mods?
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A dynojet. I thought it would make more power too. But I just bought the car from a member on the corvette forum. So im working with someone elses problem. If i can get the bucking to stop around 1900-2000 rpm i will be happy. I know it will never run like stock, but i didnt think it was that big a cam either. It may have something to do with the LS6 MAF so im going to swap it with a stock one and see what happens.
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That cam really isn't that big especially with a 114 lsa. My guess would be the tune.

p.s. those numbers seem REALLY low, especially if you heads flow as good as your fquick site says.

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^ That is what im thinking. Get a better tune on it and it should go away.
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You need a tune by someone who is a "real tuner" ... I am making better numbers with a 346 cubic inch engine.
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I found the best tuner in the area. we are limited here and im short on cash right now. If you guys know of someone that is good and not to high priced, let me know.
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I had the same problem with my 02 SS. Jeremy Formato fixed it with a road test tune.
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I got a hold of guy in the area that does just LSx Tunes. He is going to see what is going on with it on Friday. So with all luck the problems will be gone this weekend.

I checked the wires today and two were F***** but the problem is still there.
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Originally Posted by ele-blue95
I got a hold of guy in the area that does just LSx Tunes. He is going to see what is going on with it on Friday. So with all luck the problems will be gone this weekend.

I checked the wires today and two were F***** but the problem is still there.
You had a couple bad plug wires? If so then obviously you left a LOT of power on the table in case it was missing during the pull.
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Here is the final run on the dyno.

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Originally Posted by ele-blue95
Plus the car has a really hard time starting up. It threw up a cam position sensor code. any ideas? And were is it located?
Are you still getting the SES code? Maybe you have a mechanical issue. 443 HP from a 413 with a big cam is horrible and the fact you have bucking up at 2600 sounds like something is off more than just the VE table. Maybe a crank sensor relearn or something more extensive is needed.
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Not that the numbers would've been a lot better but you should've kept the pull going to about 6500 or so...looks like the power was still climbing when you shut down at 6K.
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We made a pull to 6500 and it fell off at 6300. So im going to replace the O2s and the cam sensor and see what that does for me. Plus it is getting dataloged on friday, so i will have a better idea of what is going on.
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Originally Posted by ele-blue95
We made a pull to 6500 and it fell off at 6300. So im going to replace the O2s and the cam sensor and see what that does for me. Plus it is getting dataloged on friday, so i will have a better idea of what is going on.
Ya, I would guesstimate that you should make atleast 500rwhp when all is said and done.
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Originally Posted by blown4.6
Ya, I would guesstimate that you should make atleast 500rwhp when all is said and done.
That is what I was thinking Is the Cam sensor the same for the 6.0L as it is for the 346? Dont want to get the wrong one.
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Originally Posted by ele-blue95
That is what I was thinking Is the Cam sensor the same for the 6.0L as it is for the 346? Dont want to get the wrong one.
Not sure I've never owned any lsx
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Another question i just saw the dyno graph what caused the drop at 5300?
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Originally Posted by blown4.6
Another question i just saw the dyno graph what caused the drop at 5300?
Im thinking the two bad plug wires, I replaced them yesterday. So im hoping that problem is gone. So now i just have to get the start up problem solve. Then my new tuner is going to look at the car on Friday.
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Fixed the start up issue. The cam position sensor was not pluged in. On the 8th Me and the tuner are getting together on the drive part of the tune.


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