BlackNiteWS6

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You're exagerating alittle its a 3800 lb car. Thats cause GM added the stronger
impact material that all cars need for 2012 federal standards. So the mustang will gain weight too. Thats true that the car doesn't need 20's. Thats easy to change. But when modded the 5 gen runs in the 11's or faster. I have GM High Tech. And there's plenty of
fast 5th gens. And 4th gens when modded run 10's NA. There's a **** load of 4th gens out. They aren't going anywhere. Since the LS1 has been out mustang guys have been the ones whining like little babies. Plus it took ALL this time for Ford to finally make a good NA motor. Thats a fact!!
And the 5th gens have excellent stopping coverage. It still corners great and is mildly slower in corners over the GT. But stock for stock the Camaro and Gt run the same times and the GT is 400lbs lighter. GM built the 5th gen a solid car. Not a half *** rattle box that the mustang will be after 3 years on the road. Ford always takes the cheaper route. The '03 cobra was nice...until it blows out axle seals after a few hard races. And the 5th gen is a new design. You dont think GM will tweak the car to run faster, corner better? There;s already talks of it getting the CTS-V blower motor.
I rather add my own and save the $$$.

P.S. the days of the stock 3,300 lb V8 muscle cars are gone. The jerkoff feds are making all the car companies add extra chassis and body strength, which i hate as well. But what can you do.

BlackNiteWS6

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So you're saying mustangs dont rattle? Guess again. 120lbs? No way buddy...
The chassis has to be beefed up. The doors will need added material too.
Can i borrow your magic ball you know what the GT will run 1 year from
now...I'm impressed. The GT will gain atleast 200lbs or more. Unless they pay the feds off. So the GT will be alittle over 3,600lbs. The camaro will always
be heavier cause of its IRS. So its a more refined car over the GT. The camaro has huge high dollar brakes and it's $,4500 cheaper than a GT..lol.
The GT cost $42,000 the last camaro ss i drove was load with every option
and the sticker was $36,700. So the cheaper made, less refined GT cost a hell of alot more. AND they run the same times in stock form even thought the GT is 400lbs lighter. The GT has 412hp and the Camaro has 400hp in the auto tranny and 426hp in the stick. So why does the camaro run 13.0's and the GT run slightly slower? Mustangs bite!!

kinglt-1

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Relax blacknitews6 your letting your bloodpressure get to high.

The a6 5.0 GT > L99 a6 5th gen SS
The m6 5.0 GT = Ls3 m6 5th gen SS

They are both great platforms... lets leave it at that!

fly pantera

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i copied and pasted this from camaro 5 forum this is the official quickest bolton 5th gens to date(stock,longblock,no power adders.now study that list and tell me that new 5.0 arent kickng the 5th gens rear.just look at the quickest 5th gen-11.71@114!that is very quick for a bolton production car but are you kidding me theres atleast 5 bolton(stock longblock,no power added 5.0) that are faster.considering these 5.0s just came out it wont be long till one breaks into the 10s with a stock longblock with no power adder.
another thing take a look at the mph of the top 10 quickest bolton 5th gens.
114.07-117.49-116.01-113.35-113.29-113.18-112.98-113.28-113.12-112.50
the fastest is 117.49,the average is 113.97

Bolt-Ons without Internal Engine Modification (e.g. modified airpath, headers, PCM-tune, aftermarket clutch, non-stock rear gears, skinny front tires)

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?...thkey=CNiVx6sH

1. Walkermuffler - 11.71 @ 114.07 mph, (LT, CAI, Tune, 17'' wheels, Skinnies, DRs), (LS3, M6) # 294
2. Number_9 - 11.78 @ 117.49 mph, (LT, CAI, Exhaust, T-stat, Gears, Tune), (L99, A6) # 632
3. OrangeChevy - 11.83 @ 116.02 mph, (LT, Exhaust, CAI, Tune, 18'' wheels, Skinnies, DRs), (LS3, M6) # 24
4. Wacker - 11.96 @ 113.35 mph, (LT, Exhaust, CAI, Converter, Gears, Tune, Skinnies, Slicks), (L99, A6) # 714
5. GMRULZ - 12.22 @ 113.29 mph, (LT, CAI, Tune), (L99, A6), (DA -648 ft.) # 178
6. RedJewel2SS - 12.23 @ 113.18 mph, (LT, Exhaust, CAI, 104 octane, Tune), (L99, A6) #316
7. nyny69 - 12.25 @ 112.98 mph, (LT, Exhaust CAI, Ported TB, Tune, DRs), (L99, A6)
8. BigRed - 12.32 @ 113.28 mph, (Shorties, Exhaust, CAI, Tune), (LS3, M6)
9. Mercuryman96 - 12.35 @ 113.12 mph, (LT, Exhaust, CAI, DRs), (LS3, M6) # 490
10. JACOBM - 12.35 @ 112.50 mph, (CAI, Exhaust, Tune, DRs), (LS3, M6), # 697
11. Grandpa - 12.48 @ 111.45 mph, (LT, CAI, Tune), (L99, A6) # 575
12. NHSS - 12.53 @ 111.73 mph, (LT, Exhaust, CAI, Tune), (L99, A6) # 331
13. SGOS252382 - 12.55 @ 111.62 mph, (LT, Exhaust, CAI, Tune), (L99 A6) # 185
14. RamAir2 - 12.58 @ 111.32 mph, (LT, CAI, 18'' wheels, DRs), (LS3, M6) # 330
15. SRT10KLR - 12.59 kph @ ?, (Mid Length Headers, Exhaust, CAI, Tune, DRs), (L99, A6) # 194
16. Nuptualnemesis - 12.61 @ 113.52 mph, (LT, CAI, Tune, T arm, DRs), (LS3 M6),(DA +1793 ft.) # 40
17. 4RDH8R - 12.63 @ 11.57 mph, (LT, Exhaust, CAI), (LS3, M6) # 656
18. JNM2003 - 12.64 @ 111.51 mph, (Exhaust CAI, Tune), (LS3, M6) # 332
19. Sick SS - 12.65 @ 109.66 mph, (LT, CAI, Converter, Gears, DRs) (L99 A6) # 581
20. Darin Morgan - 12.66 @ 110.88 mph, (LT, Exhaust, CAI, Ported TB, Tune), (L99, A6) # 134
21. Jhmurphy - 12.68 @ 111.67 mph, (LT, CAI, Ported TB and Intake, Tune), (L99, A6) # 343
22. Rick@Liverois - 12.68 @ 109.72 mph, (Exhaust, CAI, Pully, Tune), (L99, A6) # 35
23. JP2010SS - 12.69 @ 112.58 mph, (LT, Exhaust, CAI, Tune), (LS3, M6) # 110
24. Black5thgen - 12.69 @ 111.30 mph, (CAI, Tune), (LS3, M6) #669
25. Rodimus Prime - 12.73 @ 110 mph, (LT, CAI, Tune), (L99, A6) # 21
26. Boostedyards86 - 12.74 @ 111.33 mph, (LT,CAI, Exhaust, t -stat), (LS3, M6), (DA +1589 ft.) # 27
27. mr anderson - 12.75 @ 112.93 mph, (LT, Tune), (LS3, M6) # 593
28. ITguy11 - 12.75 @ 111.90 mph, (LT, CAI, Tune), (LS3, M6) # 570
29. FASST 1 - 12.75 @ 109.28 mph, (LT, CAI, Tune), (L99, A6) # 137
30. NinoSS - 12.77 @ 112.06 mph, (LT, CAI, Tune), (LS3, M6) # 654
31. Kaler - 12.78 @ 112.89 mph, (LT, CAI, Tune), (L99, A6) # 551

fly pantera

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whoops sorry king lt-1,i was away from the computer while i was in the process of posting areply to blackknitews6.

fwiw camaros weigh between 3800-3900 and last time i checked cars dont drive themselves so with drivers there very close to and over 4000lbs,and your crazy if you think gts cost 42k

Pro Stock John

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No doubt both cars can run quick with some bolt-ons. The 5th gens start out a lot heavier so stock for stock, driver for driver, I'd think that the 5.0's would have the overall edge. Even Smith of MM&FF wheeled a stick 5.0 to a 12.6 stock and 12.3 on DR's and was quoted as saying he could have run a 12.5 stock with more seat time. This is the same guy who went 12.8x in a stock 4th gen back in 1999.

kinglt-1

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They already have

https://ls1tech.com/forums/multimedi...1-gt-m6-n.html


oops I just noticed it has ported stock castings... still pretty sick for stock casting heads, stock cams and stock intake!

fly pantera

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i believe evolution ran 10.9@124 with stock motor with a cam
also one from jcp ran 11.1@122 with stock longblock no power adder
the one from revolution has ported stock heads that gained no hp on the dyno and lost a little peak tourqe lol.10.9@124

the quickest cam only 5th gen=11.3@121
the mph of the quickest 5th gens according to camaro 5 are
121.55-118-115.57-116.27-114.40-113.03-115.55

so the quickest cam only 5th gen is 11.3@121 and that time does not even beat the quickest bolton only 5.0 of 11.1@122.
i know which car i would pick @ the strip

Pro Stock John

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I was talking to a long time racer who is also a tv personality and we both agreed that the new Mustang GT is the better platform for a drag car since it does not have IRS and it starts out 250 lbs lighter. We both put the Camaro as #2 and the Challenger a #3. For me the # issue is raceweight.

BlackNiteWS6

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LOL..you're right KING its not worth getting pissed.

BlackNiteWS6

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The weight issue will even out next year when Ford will have to meet the new
fed. impact standards. Then both cars with weigh very close, except the
for the camaros IRS. But its a joke that a few years ago when the mustang got a IRS they laughed at f-body guys for having a solid axle. Mustang guys
are never wrong. Nothing wrong with a IRS if its strong enough. I believe the the IRS can handle some power. But we'll see after the GT gets its weight gain. Ford guys will cry about it for sure

fly pantera

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psj knows his stuff and tells it like it is

fly pantera

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i agree completely,cept for the challangers are a joke,poor dad bought a r/tbut they do look amazing when dropped.

not trying to put down the general at all but with time comes technology and better motors,cars,safety.looks like ford hit a home run with this car,it is doing what a bolton 02-04z06 can do @ the strip.not saying i would pick a gt over a ls6vette,im saying its running just as hard with boltons

BlackNiteWS6

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WHAT?? That statement is SO stupid it doesn't warrant talking about. Go troll the ford sites. They'll love you there.

Dirty Vegas

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Dude, why you so mad?

Oh, I see. I'd be mad if I had a 11.79 heads/cam car too. Carry on.

fly pantera

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lmao

BlackNiteWS6

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Yeah pocket ported heads and a 216/220 cam in a full weight WS6.
I only wanted to run 11.9's so i ran faster than i asked for. So nice try talking **** buddy.

fly pantera

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you could have made your goals just with boltons

BlackNiteWS6

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Yeah with a 4200 stall and 3.73's. I wanted a street car with perfect manners
and a auto friendly cam. Most bolt on WS6's that run 11.7's have weight reduction and the huge stall and gears i mentioned above. I surpassed my goals and thats it period.

fly pantera

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i never said the new 5.0 stopped better, or handled better than a z06.stock for stock the 02-04zo6 will walk a 5.0 but a bolton 5.0 vs 02-04z06 will get real interesting at the track.keep in mind blacknite that these 5.0 havnt even been here 1year and look what kinda et's&mph there pulling.just wait till they really see what makes these cars tick,what kinda headers make more power,motor get more miles and loosen up,its all in the package and these cars are new,so they havnt dialed in there setups

anyways heres the quickes vette list,read it and look at the et & mph the z06 have done.also the zo6 has been here 8years.one 5.0 has already gone 11.1@122 stock longblock no power adder,countless others are pulling 115+

Vette's
Board ID - 1/4 ET @ MPH (60ft), Yr & Type of car, Converter/Clutch, Gear, Race Weight, Date
dennis50nj ----- 10.626 @ 126.98 (1.41), 05 Coupe A4, Vig3800, 3.73, 3180, 03/09
GARY2004Z06 ---- 10.890 @ 125.06 (1.46), 04 Z06 M6, Textral, 4.10, 3300, 12/08
LS1LT1 --------- 10.972 @ 125.13 (1.54), 06 Coupe A4, 3200 Vig, 2.56, 3260, 12/09
Dr. Ron -------- 11.214 @ 122.30 (1.58), 03 Z06 M6, RPS, 3.42, 3310, 11/05
C5-Pete -------- 11.331 @ 119.92 (1.54), 04 Vert MN6, stock clutch, 4.10s, 3190, MIR 11/09
Qksilver ------- 11.405 @ 123.61 (1.61), 02 Z06 M6, SpecIII, 3.42, 3240, 01/05
procsls6 ------- 11.461 @ 119.79 (1.63), 02 ZO6 M6, Stock, 3.42, 3000, 05/08
Dragman -------- 11.553 @ 118.12 (1.65), 99 Coupe A4, YSS3800, 3.73, 3500, 11/09
Robert B.------- 11.566 @ 119.50 (1.77), 04 ZO6 M6, Stock, 3.42, 3250, 02/09
J-Rod ---------- 11.596 @ 118.53 (1.67), 02 ZO6 M6, Stock, 3.42, 3216, 01/03
BLOWNGS -------- 11.623 @ 114.74 (1.54), 98 Coupe A4, YSS4000, 3.73, 3365, 11/03
Braciole ------- 11.635 @ 123.18 (1.89), 07 Coupe M6, Stock, 4.10, 3300, 04/09
Vortech -------- 11.656 @ 117.74 (1.??), 02 ZO6 M6, Stock, 3.42, 3300, 10/02
BLU-BY-U ------- 11.694 @ 116.56 (1.65), 02 Z06 M6, Stock, 3.42, 3230, 12/02
Robert56 ------- 11.711 @ 115.53 (1.65), 02 Z06 M6, Stock, 3.42, 3240, 06/05
Roofer Dave ---- 11.769 @ 115.96 (1.57), 03 Z06 M6, Stock, 4.10, 3240, 06/04
Evil ----------- 11.842 @ 115.76 (1.71), 04 Vert A4, SY3500, 3.42, 3450, 11/05
floman --------- 11.846 @ 115.20 (1.78), 02 ZO6 M6, Stock, 3.42, 3350, 01/09
TransAm2002 ---- 11.879 @ 116.31 (1.74), 03 ZO6 M6, Stock, 3.42, 3350, 02/09
j0n ------------ 11.958 @ 115.06 (1.77), 99 FRC M6, Stock, 3.42, 3200, 11/08
AOC ------------ 11.961 @ 118.92 (1.91), 03 ZO6 M6, Stock, 3.42, 3290, 03/06
enderz06 ------- 11.984 @ 115.02 (1.75), 02 Z06 M6, Stock, 3.42, 3360, 10/03
McRat ---------- 11.990 @ 114.5? (1.74), 02 Z06 M6, Stock, 3.42, 3360, 10/02