New Best....11.2 Cam Only
10-25-2006, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by offaxis
I heard this car has my old lightweight battery and thats why its fast...
you guys thought it was just a great tune! LOL
you guys thought it was just a great tune! LOL
10-25-2006, 11:19 PM
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My car has run 116 MPH with SI. So the times and MPH in questioned is not a questioned at all--it is not only possible but attainable. Cheers........ 
10-27-2006, 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by aliwantsnss
I dont know what to make of all this. Im not into the technical side of things, but I know my bolt on car that was heavier than his went 11.70 @ 116. That was with the stock rev limiter. Once it got bumped 150 rpms, then trap speed went up a little. Now with heads and cam, worse 60fts, and a car that weighs a couple hundred pounds more than his, it went 11.23 @ 123. Not trying to stir anything up, just provide a comparison with a similar car at the same track.
10-28-2006, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Demonicbird00
so are you gonna call BS again when i go 10s after a new tranny? or when i try for 10.6s w/ the bigger cam im gonna put in????
-brandon
-brandon
10-28-2006, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by aliwantsnss
I dont know what to make of all this. Im not into the technical side of things, but I know my bolt on car that was heavier than his went 11.70 @ 116. That was with the stock rev limiter. Once it got bumped 150 rpms, then trap speed went up a little. Now with heads and cam, worse 60fts, and a car that weighs a couple hundred pounds more than his, it went 11.23 @ 123. Not trying to stir anything up, just provide a comparison with a similar car at the same track.
10-28-2006, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by chummmma
yeh i have spray... so what ? lol .
BTW if you can fit a 236 single pattern cam into a ls1 with stock heads w/o flycutting you sir are god. the reason your g5x4 fits w/o flycutting is because of the split durations.
hey if you got a problem with him going 11.2@120 thats all on you... i think its fast for a cam only unported heads car... but thats just me... dont be a hater b/c his car is quick.
BTW if you can fit a 236 single pattern cam into a ls1 with stock heads w/o flycutting you sir are god. the reason your g5x4 fits w/o flycutting is because of the split durations.
hey if you got a problem with him going 11.2@120 thats all on you... i think its fast for a cam only unported heads car... but thats just me... dont be a hater b/c his car is quick.
Not hating anything and I'm no newb pal.
10-28-2006, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1
For the record, Durien's car ALSO touched 118mph as a bolt on (6 speed) car and also went on to run an 11.2 (at 122+ I think) as a cam only car.
Brandon's SI/bolt on numbers, though astronomical and quite hard to believe just like Durien's and Ali's were, are still not outside the realm of possibility. Good driving, good traction and good air can go a LONG way when trying to pull every ounce of motivation from the mighty LS1.
Brandon's SI/bolt on numbers, though astronomical and quite hard to believe just like Durien's and Ali's were, are still not outside the realm of possibility. Good driving, good traction and good air can go a LONG way when trying to pull every ounce of motivation from the mighty LS1.
10-28-2006, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by chrs1313
damn biach you just beat me 11.70, looks like i am going to need to get a 90/90, some headers oh yeah dont have those yet...OhIt'sBeenBraughten...jk...an EWP,gears, and a tune...**** with some weight reduction i might see your times brandon...haha jk
Called BS on your car when you posted your numbers too. Oh that's right it's that ram air you made. Ummm OK.
10-28-2006, 05:44 PM
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And if anyone trully believes you're gonna pick up 2-3 MPH from skinnies you're on crack.
PS: Most of you obviously only look at the Fbody SI list. Scroll down a little bit and look at the Vette SI records. The 2 cars on top I would venture to say have headers. Haven't searched it but it makes sense. Jrods car out RWHPs all these supposed 118 MPH Fbodies and weighed 200 lbs less. Ranger's car has also been 117+ bit is not on the list. These 2 fellas can drive the ***** out of their cars and have the above mentioned advantages.
PS: Most of you obviously only look at the Fbody SI list. Scroll down a little bit and look at the Vette SI records. The 2 cars on top I would venture to say have headers. Haven't searched it but it makes sense. Jrods car out RWHPs all these supposed 118 MPH Fbodies and weighed 200 lbs less. Ranger's car has also been 117+ bit is not on the list. These 2 fellas can drive the ***** out of their cars and have the above mentioned advantages.
10-29-2006, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by OhIt'sBeenBraughten
Called BS on your car when you posted your numbers too. Oh that's right it's that ram air you made. Ummm OK.
10-29-2006, 03:38 PM
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You have an auto genious and I have a stick backed up by a 10 bolt,sway bars intact, on a Nitto DR.
Like I told you in the past, JFM's car ran 115 and change on a -2000 DA day w/headers and tune, FTRA, same weight. That's why I'm calling BS. Mmmk?
Like I told you in the past, JFM's car ran 115 and change on a -2000 DA day w/headers and tune, FTRA, same weight. That's why I'm calling BS. Mmmk?
11-01-2006, 07:03 AM
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Daaaaaammmmmmnnnnnnn, ya got me. I am jelious, actually it's spelled jellyous. Wish I had the know how to turn some wrenches and remove my car's interior, A/C, jack/spare, swaybars, etc. How you do that?
Now let's look at some interesting things about your car Chrs.
1. If your car was an M6 it would be trapping right around 118 mph due to less HP being sucked up by the tranny. Same weight as a HEAVY C5 Z06 but with a stock exhausted LS1 and you'd be out MPHing 90% of the C5 Z06s on the top end. That sounds plausible, doesn't it?
2. If your car had the same raceweight, mods, gearing, converter as the current SI record holder, you'd have him covered. -445 lbs, headers, 90/90, tune, 4400 stall and 3.73 gears would surely reward you with better than 121 mph seeing as you've already trapped 115+. I say go for it and report back.
Now let's look at my car compared to Demonic's:
I ran 12.87 at 111.3 2.08 60' with lid/filter/flowmaster CB on Eagle RSAs, powershifting every gear. Since doing the mods in my sig I've improved on those numbers to the tune of .94 seconds and 7-7.5 MPH in the quarter and .21 in 60 foot on a worse DA day and w/o the benefit of powershifting 2-3 and 3-4. I haven't had the car on a dyno but I'd estimate I picked up roughly 80-100 RWHP with the new mods from a baseline of 319 RWHP with lid/filter/flowmaster. I can't say how much weight I dropped going from manifolds/cats to headers/ORY but I figure no more than 30 lbs (?). The power gains in my car are clearly reflected in the times I ran at the track. Proper gearing would raise the MPH some since I shift into 4th about 200 feet from the line. Powershifting 2-3 and 3-4 would also improve the MPH some. Mind you, I don't have a shift light so my shifts are based on the stock tach so there may be some more improvement by playing with shift points, not much in my opinion but maybe a half MPH or so.
Demonic dropped 240 lbs and and picked up 75 RWHP yet his car only picked up 3 MPH in the quarter. He states the DA was much better on his SI runs but then again this is coming from a guy who says that the DA in October was about the same as the DA in August. Anywho, I don't see the reflection of his new power and lower raceweight in his MPH. This leads me to further doubt the performance of his car when it was SI.
But I guess I'm just reaching here. I should learn from you guys and run some skinnines (2-3 mph), your ram air (2-3 mph) and gut my car (2-3) mph and in no time at all I should be trapping 125-128 mph with roughly 400-420 RWHP. That should surprise those pesky C6 Z06s.
Now let's look at some interesting things about your car Chrs.
1. If your car was an M6 it would be trapping right around 118 mph due to less HP being sucked up by the tranny. Same weight as a HEAVY C5 Z06 but with a stock exhausted LS1 and you'd be out MPHing 90% of the C5 Z06s on the top end. That sounds plausible, doesn't it?
2. If your car had the same raceweight, mods, gearing, converter as the current SI record holder, you'd have him covered. -445 lbs, headers, 90/90, tune, 4400 stall and 3.73 gears would surely reward you with better than 121 mph seeing as you've already trapped 115+. I say go for it and report back.
Now let's look at my car compared to Demonic's:
I ran 12.87 at 111.3 2.08 60' with lid/filter/flowmaster CB on Eagle RSAs, powershifting every gear. Since doing the mods in my sig I've improved on those numbers to the tune of .94 seconds and 7-7.5 MPH in the quarter and .21 in 60 foot on a worse DA day and w/o the benefit of powershifting 2-3 and 3-4. I haven't had the car on a dyno but I'd estimate I picked up roughly 80-100 RWHP with the new mods from a baseline of 319 RWHP with lid/filter/flowmaster. I can't say how much weight I dropped going from manifolds/cats to headers/ORY but I figure no more than 30 lbs (?). The power gains in my car are clearly reflected in the times I ran at the track. Proper gearing would raise the MPH some since I shift into 4th about 200 feet from the line. Powershifting 2-3 and 3-4 would also improve the MPH some. Mind you, I don't have a shift light so my shifts are based on the stock tach so there may be some more improvement by playing with shift points, not much in my opinion but maybe a half MPH or so.
Demonic dropped 240 lbs and and picked up 75 RWHP yet his car only picked up 3 MPH in the quarter. He states the DA was much better on his SI runs but then again this is coming from a guy who says that the DA in October was about the same as the DA in August. Anywho, I don't see the reflection of his new power and lower raceweight in his MPH. This leads me to further doubt the performance of his car when it was SI.
But I guess I'm just reaching here. I should learn from you guys and run some skinnines (2-3 mph), your ram air (2-3 mph) and gut my car (2-3) mph and in no time at all I should be trapping 125-128 mph with roughly 400-420 RWHP. That should surprise those pesky C6 Z06s.
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11-01-2006, 04:36 PM
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i cannot say anything about his car since it isn't mine but it just seems like you doubt everyone that is running fast...yeah if he actually did shed 240 lbs which i find hard to believe since he ran a what 11.81 at somewhere around 117....so since he ran that he shed 240 lbs i thought he has pretty light then...also if adding the cam then he gained about what you said from 65 to 70 hp so that should drop him to like a 11.2's or 11.1's which isn't that what he ran about...and why are you comparing sticks to automatic when the 10.92 was ran in an auto like mine...and yeah if i had all of those things done like 90/90 maybe add around 5-10 hp over an ls6 and ported throttle body with all the mods...4400stall does nothing but lower et no mph there, same with gears...headers with tune worth 15rwhp been proven couple times by 11secss...so 450 lbs 4.5 mph +1.5mph +.5-1.0mph = 6.5-7mph granted my da was about .5mph better than 121 pass so i will taken 115+6.5 = 121.5-122 so yeah i got him covered by .5 to 1 mph...ever think that might be the ram air or that my car is a friek...honestly if you dont think it works why do you have it on you car...ftra has been proven to gain around 1-1.5mph so why would mine not gain around 2 to 2.5 it is more than twice as big and designed much better and smoother without the center being blocked by the V hood latch support and it is also taking in clean air in a straight path from the bottom of the car...the ftra has to collect air after it litterly hits almost a straight wall at the bottom of the plastic piece connected to the bottom of the radiator...and skinnies will help you more than you think...i am not saying 3mph but at least 1mph...next time i will make a pass for you with them on and with them off...lol
11-01-2006, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by chrs1313
i cannot say anything about his car since it isn't mine but it just seems like you doubt everyone that is running fast...yeah if he actually did shed 240 lbs which i find hard to believe since he ran a what 11.81 at somewhere around 117....so since he ran that he shed 240 lbs i thought he has pretty light then...also if adding the cam then he gained about what you said from 65 to 70 hp so that should drop him to like a 11.2's or 11.1's which isn't that what he ran about...and why are you comparing sticks to automatic when the 10.92 was ran in an auto like mine...and yeah if i had all of those things done like 90/90 maybe add around 5-10 hp over an ls6 and ported throttle body with all the mods...4400stall does nothing but lower et no mph there, same with gears...headers with tune worth 15rwhp been proven couple times by 11secss...so 450 lbs 4.5 mph +1.5mph +.5-1.0mph = 6.5-7mph granted my da was about .5mph better than 121 pass so i will taken 115+6.5 = 121.5-122 so yeah i got him covered by .5 to 1 mph...ever think that might be the ram air or that my car is a friek...honestly if you dont think it works why do you have it on you car...ftra has been proven to gain around 1-1.5mph so why would mine not gain around 2 to 2.5 it is more than twice as big and designed much better and smoother without the center being blocked by the V hood latch support and it is also taking in clean air in a straight path from the bottom of the car...the ftra has to collect air after it litterly hits almost a straight wall at the bottom of the plastic piece connected to the bottom of the radiator...and skinnies will help you more than you think...i am not saying 3mph but at least 1mph...next time i will make a pass for you with them on and with them off...lol
I didn't say he gained 65-70, his dyno number said he gained 75 hp.
He ran 118 at 3440 lbs with skinnies. He's running 120 at 3200 with skinnies.
I'm not the one who said skinies are worth 2-3. I know they're worth about 1 mph, that's my point.
Headers and tune worth 15 mph? Many guys have gained more than that, Durien, since someone brought him up in this thread, comes to mind with his QTPs. 11SecSS uses MACs if I recall correctly.
90/90 could be worth more than that.
A 4400 like the Yank could very well raise MPH as well as lower ET, other guys have reported that before due to the shift extensions and the fact that the PT series begins to lock up slightly on it's own the more power you throw at it.
Gears can also raise MPH due to raising the finish line RPM to the HP peak. Picked up .2 and 2mph in my stock AOD Stang back in the day going from 2.73s to 3.73s and that was going to the track one week apart in very similar air conditions.
If the clean air path as you call it was worth all that then the SSRA would have been proven to be better than the FTRA, it has not.
The main problem with the LS1 air path is the lid.
11-01-2006, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 11SECSS
Theres always people who will try to discredit us SI guys ...I went thru it back in 02 with my 01 that ran 11.45@116 and it was an A4 with 3.23's.
And if I drop 250 lbs and add Chrs's ram air and Demonic's skinnies I'll be running 125-128 MPH with 400-420 RWHP.
What ever.
11-01-2006, 08:18 PM
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drop 250lbs 2.5mph my intake 1mph over FTRA (actually 12 hp which i proved, but will will say 10hp) and skinnies 1-1.5mph so 4.5-5mph total so more like 123-123.5...