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01-18-2008, 10:47 AM
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the machinist can make a differenece. tire pressure, da race weight all theese little things they did. add up. why is it such a big deal maybe i missed something. if one dude has more done supposedly and goes slower why not maybe learn something instead of just calling bs
01-18-2008, 01:43 PM
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Interesting. I was just going to post a thread about this. I find it hard to believe that the car is a hydraulic roller with a 280 duration and .800 lift cam and running 9.40s. And all of that power through a Fast 90mm, NW TB, and a Whisper lid? Why not a port matched Victor Jr. and 4150 TB setup? The TEA ported LS6 heads only flow 325 @ .600 lift on a 4.00 bore? It also says it has OEM spark plugs and wires? 
I'm not blatantly calling bullshit, but it has definitely raced some eyebrows with me and my crew up here in Chitown. Maybe a typo in the article? I can see that it might be a typo when on page 29 in the LSX Shootout article it says, "The SAM HO SS uses a more classic Gen III recipe of C5R heads and block with the hope of becoming the first to reach 8s au natural." I'm sorry, but CAMNHAWK was in the 8s all motor back in '05. I guess the only fast cars that are taken seriously are down in Texas???
I'm not blatantly calling bullshit, but it has definitely raced some eyebrows with me and my crew up here in Chitown. Maybe a typo in the article? I can see that it might be a typo when on page 29 in the LSX Shootout article it says, "The SAM HO SS uses a more classic Gen III recipe of C5R heads and block with the hope of becoming the first to reach 8s au natural." I'm sorry, but CAMNHAWK was in the 8s all motor back in '05. I guess the only fast cars that are taken seriously are down in Texas???
01-18-2008, 02:54 PM
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Madman pointed out that this car runs Morel lifters, which is his way of showing that the car can take a lot of spring.
I think a lite car can hit 9.5 with a hydraulic and some cubes. I don't know much about whether the C5R heads are still considered badazz or whether new stuff like say a ported L92 is considered as good... so anyway I think it's doable.
Val's car I am pretty sure went 9.32 at some point and routinely went 9.4's at Milan.
I think a lite car can hit 9.5 with a hydraulic and some cubes. I don't know much about whether the C5R heads are still considered badazz or whether new stuff like say a ported L92 is considered as good... so anyway I think it's doable.
Val's car I am pretty sure went 9.32 at some point and routinely went 9.4's at Milan.
01-18-2008, 04:36 PM
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but John your missing the fact they are running a comp 921 spring. And I know all about a lot of spring pressure. If you knew what I had to do to my heads to run these things you'd think I was nutz.
01-19-2008, 08:55 AM
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Because we dont race the dyno. I keep telling everyone the dyno is a tool. It doesnt win races.
Case in point, my old Camaro with a SBC in it and 2 stages of NOS only made 595rwhp. The car weighed 3250 and ran 842 @ 172mph. The dyno is only for tuning the engine. I threw Colemans dyno numbers up to stir the pot for the dyno kings.
Case in point, my old Camaro with a SBC in it and 2 stages of NOS only made 595rwhp. The car weighed 3250 and ran 842 @ 172mph. The dyno is only for tuning the engine. I threw Colemans dyno numbers up to stir the pot for the dyno kings.
01-19-2008, 12:30 PM
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If I am dynoing I dyno the way the car goes down the track. I could care less what the car dynos its never been accurate for what the car runs. The track and ET prove the point.
All I can say is the car ran the times published with the majority of whats in the article. I will say it want run with the Whisper lid on it.
All I can say is the car ran the times published with the majority of whats in the article. I will say it want run with the Whisper lid on it.
01-19-2008, 12:51 PM
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Thats a huge difference, about .07-.10
A stock elim deal is way more effecient that what we are doing, Id be willing to bet that car will roll uphill if you push it and its dialed IN. They get alot more racing time down there and there are a few whose cars just work.
Brian, I readthat to Ashley and she said now we gotta up our game to catch em!
A stock elim deal is way more effecient that what we are doing, Id be willing to bet that car will roll uphill if you push it and its dialed IN. They get alot more racing time down there and there are a few whose cars just work.
Brian, I readthat to Ashley and she said now we gotta up our game to catch em!
01-21-2008, 08:34 AM
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The guys that were mentioned in the article certainly deserved their credit, but why the HELL wasn't Gerald Thomas mentioned in the entire writeup? He is the crew chief, suspension guru, engine assembly, maintenance, tow truck driver. He's the one that puts this whole package together, and not even a MENTION? 
Shameful reporting.
Shameful reporting.
01-21-2008, 11:30 AM
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The guys that were mentioned in the article certainly deserved their credit, but why the HELL wasn't Gerald Thomas mentioned in the entire writeup? He is the crew chief, suspension guru, engine assembly, maintenance, tow truck driver. He's the one that puts this whole package together, and not even a MENTION? Shameful reporting.
Shameful reporting.
01-21-2008, 06:22 PM
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The guys that were mentioned in the article certainly deserved their credit, but why the HELL wasn't Gerald Thomas mentioned in the entire writeup? He is the crew chief, suspension guru, engine assembly, maintenance, tow truck driver. He's the one that puts this whole package together, and not even a MENTION? Shameful reporting.
Shameful reporting.
01-23-2008, 01:12 AM
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Your strips in the Chicago area are at least 600 feet higher than the ones in Louisiana, that alone is worth a tenth or two and a couple mph. There is a guy here who has a '95 Firebird that ran 9.91 @ 136 with a 383" LT-1, in reasonably decent air. Eliminating the factory CPU upped the RPM limit from about 7200 where the factory one shuts off the fuel to 9000 with the FAST unit.
01-23-2008, 01:23 AM
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Anybody who has run at HRP with a good biting car can run good numbers, it's about 10 feet above sea level and flat as a table top. Madman, did your dyno numbers come from a Mustang chassis dyno? If so, they read about 40 H.P. lower than a Dynojet.