What do you think about running them on a 100% DD. Im about to do ABS delete and line lock. I was thinking about doing manual brakes while i was at it. I have friends that run they and drive there cars on the street and say they feels alot better. They only drive them on weekends and to the track. They say i will never go back and should do it. what do you think? BTW im running skinnys and fatty's all the time. I also have a BMR k-member im about to do. Trying to take some weight off front of car.

i posted in here because i should posted here instead of brakes area all those guys want is power everything lol

 

You will regret it big time..... just about everyone will agree with me.... your stoping distance is increased quite a bit...

On a weekend cruiser it is nice but not a DD.... Taking weight off the front only really helps when you go to manual steering...... I loved manual steering but my last car was not anything close to a DD. Leave the ABS in untill it breaks and leave the paower brakes in...

Do a search.... lots of threads on this.

 

abs is worthless if ya running skinnys fattys. My ABS will be gone no mater what. I hear more people say manual rack is worse then manual brakes out of the 2. Due to steering radius is worse. Manual steering and spool sucks i do know that. My friend had manual steering and it was fine until he put a spool in it. He is also one of the people that just did manual brakes and loves it way more the his power breaks. He has a N/A 600hp ls 408ci in his iroc. Says its feels 100% better. I also plan on doing manual steering to down the road

 

Ask your buddy what his stoping distance is with manual brakes compared to power brakes........ if he says it is the same or better then he must be STANDING on the brake peddal.

Manual rack with skinnies only really sucks in slow tight turns.


Not sure why ABS would be pointless with skinies and "fattys"... I could see it being a little more sensitive on the front wheels but that is about it.... there are Honda's out there FACTORY with wheels not much wider then the skiniest street skinies....

Something tells me your tires out back are not slicks or radials..., most liley street tires.... on a DD I would not be on stickies and skinies.

I had manual brakes and steering in my 83Z and did not mind it but it rarley got out... I took the same routes to cruise in's and was not worried about having to get around some idiot about to hit me... on a DD you can't have that luxury and tried to make a fast hard turn in a car with skinies will most likley end badly not to mention if you have manual steering in a car with most of the eight up front.


The steering radius is worse if you don't get the right rack....

Maybe your buddy had something wrong with his brakes before he went manual......

Do a search on here and see how many people say no NOT have manual breaks on a DD........ Call Burkart Chassis or Madman and see what they say...


With a DD you are limited at what you can do unless you don't care about saftey........ a molly k-member alone will save more weight then a manual rack and brakes..... want to save more weight???? ditch the factory carpet, or get a molly fab 9 inch....

Not sure how a manual rack would suck more with a spool........ manual rack or not you have to be carefull in the turns and can't take tight turns with a spool...... on a DD you do NOT want even a mini spool... Drive a car with a manual rack and try and creep into a tight parking spot........ you will hate the manual rack before you hate the chirping rear tires...

 

Everyone knows that spools with make it harder to turn due to its being fully locked up on turns. With the manual steering you feel it more making it harder to turn. The manual steering racks for 4th gens all have a less turning radius then stock. Seen friends cars where i can make a U turn with no problems they cant make it. I do know manual rack and spools suck on slow turns i don't care about that. I don't care about flying around corners. But with my car being lowered and sway bar still on i still have no problems passing cars on on ramps and such. Yes i can not go as fast as i could with more tire but still handles better then a 4x4 truck or van LOL I am working on a midwest fab 9" now

I have a bmr k-member waiting to go in. My abs goes nuts because i have 15x4 26x6.5 front and 15x9 27x11.6 rear. So it will be off no mater what. Know tons of people just doing ABS delete with power brakes and they love it. Just seeing what more people running manual brakes think.

 

It seems like you have allready decided on what you want to do before you posted this thread so why even ask???
Im not talking about passing people....... Im talking about someone tht has a tire fall out of the back of their truck on the highway or even on a 35mph road and in a second you will run over it if you don't react...... try that wil manual brakes and power steering..... I allways stayed way back but you can't do that all the time with a DD.

You can still make u-turns, just not as tight as you can in a power steering car... like I said, you can't expect everything to be the same.

Those front wheels are not really skinies honestly....

Ditch the abs, its no big deal unless you have to stop in the snow (not an issue in FL) or have to make a hard stop in the rain.

You don't need a full spool most don't, you will notice how the manual steering sucks in turns before you notice the spool also sucks.

Like I siad, do a search because there is a ton of threads on people saying NO to manual brakes on a DD but it seems you have made up your mind so have at it.

 

If you take the power booster off, you have to move the brake rod up on the brake pedal lever to get a good ratio. I did this on my 77 Firebird and they felt just like the p/b did. I wouldn't be opposed to do it.

 

I have a Detroit locker and 4.10 in center section ready to go in midwest 9". No spool for me. If i do it i will get a midwest kit or burkheart kit made for f-bodys. So anyone with manual brakes in a 4th gean throw ya 2 cents in

 

Just buy a crappy DD then do whatever you want to the car

 

i will always drive my car! lol drove it in snow and ice when i lived in Missouri

 

Yep because at some point everyone says they want to drive their car as a DD untill they day comes that you say THIS SUCKS and realize it is more of a weekend cruiser........ everyone hits that road block at some point when you start to mod a car...

 

I was going to build my 68 Firebird into a DD but my first wife said NO. "You're going to race it instead". best words that ever came out of her mouth until she said "I want a divorce". Then those were the best words.

 

Everyone says oh skinny's/fatty's are bad for DD i love them and have had no problems in the past year even in snow/ice. You even have people say cams as big as mine suck for dd use and my car drives like stock. I had a 72 SS nova with manual brakes and i put a manual steering box in it and it didn't bother me.

 

My wife knows me like that.... when I think about buying a performance car as a DD she knows I will make it barley streetable really fast......... performance cars and DD don't mix with me haha.

 

I had to disable ABS before I removed it. with different hieght tires on the back than the front. Even though it was only slightly taller in the rear. Every now and then when running the slicks the ABS would engage because it thought it was slipping and I had no brakes at the top end of the track.

Havn't converted to man brakes yet, but I would think everyone has there own tollorance when it comes to things like this. Best way would probley be to find a friends that will let you take it for a drive.

 

I love storys that have a happy ending.

 

i am having same problem with no breaks on top end.how did u disable abs before you removed it?.

 

LOL mine dose it too! pedal feels soft then grabs

 

I think im going to do my own manual brake kit like my friends did. 89 dodge caravan master $30 lifetime warranty with burkheart adapter plate. Make my own lines. My friends have $170 in the whole kit and the 89 dodge caravan master has the right proportioning for camaro so no proportioning valve needed and ill add a line lock. Now i just need to drive his car and see if i like it.

 

i will say that a correct working power setup will stop in a shorter distance with LESS foot in the pedal. so in a quick "jam on the brakes" scenario, power might have an advantage.
if you are ditching the abs, then there is no advantage imo. use you foot.
only thing i would be worried with is how large the bore on the stock brakes are compared to an aftermarket setup.
pistons being different size might throw the pedal feel off??
it will be a weekend car before you know it cut it up.