10's cam only advice
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10's cam only advice Well new for this season im going for a 10 second pass cam only. a 10.999 would be awsome.
here is the mod list currently
LID
plugs
truck coils
taylor wires
MS3-cam,springs,PR's
ls6 oil pump
cloyes timing set up
ls6 intake
car tuned on 110 octane
LT headers
ORY
SLP LM
yank SS4000 stall
umi adj LCA's
LCA relo's
slicks and skinnies
car is stripped down from bumper to bumper, ac,bumper supports etc...
all that remains in the interior is a poly race seat.
just wondering what else i could do to help push it for 10's
here is the mod list currently
LID
plugs
truck coils
taylor wires
MS3-cam,springs,PR's
ls6 oil pump
cloyes timing set up
ls6 intake
car tuned on 110 octane
LT headers
ORY
SLP LM
yank SS4000 stall
umi adj LCA's
LCA relo's
slicks and skinnies
car is stripped down from bumper to bumper, ac,bumper supports etc...
all that remains in the interior is a poly race seat.
just wondering what else i could do to help push it for 10's
Put a fast intake/90mm TB on it and SD/open loop the car so you can ditch the entire catback and Y pipe and the maf, that would help alot, both from the exhaust weight and the power added from the tune/lack of exhaust and intake restriction.
I'd shitcan that converter and get someone to build you one, circle D, FTI, someone. You'll need something in the 5000 range at least.
Not sure what you have for a rear in the car, but if there isn't one get one, and get some 4.10 gears in it, 4.30 if you really want to go for it. 28x10.5 slick, or if your track's prep is good, try the new size et radial, the one that's in the middle of the 275/60 and 295/60, the one thats' supposed to be the true 28 inch tire
Rod bolts, if you haven't put any in the car yet, I'd put a moroso pan on while you're at it with an accusump, so the bearings have a shot at living with the 7000 rpm you'll need to spin it.
I personally don't like that camshaft either for a max effort cam only car. There's bigger options that will work metter IMO, might have to flycut for them, but it's worth it. Minimum I'd run is a trex, and make sure the valvesprings are shimmed to about .050 away from coil bind too, cause you'll need the spring pressure. I'd actually like to see a BIG cam cut on the new lsr lobe and see what that can do for power, that's almost a solid roller lobe, so it is bound to work, just have to put alot of spring in, and while the heads are off for the flycut, I'd upgrade the lifters too.
Shocks, springs, if you don't have them they will be needed.
I'd shitcan that converter and get someone to build you one, circle D, FTI, someone. You'll need something in the 5000 range at least.
Not sure what you have for a rear in the car, but if there isn't one get one, and get some 4.10 gears in it, 4.30 if you really want to go for it. 28x10.5 slick, or if your track's prep is good, try the new size et radial, the one that's in the middle of the 275/60 and 295/60, the one thats' supposed to be the true 28 inch tire
Rod bolts, if you haven't put any in the car yet, I'd put a moroso pan on while you're at it with an accusump, so the bearings have a shot at living with the 7000 rpm you'll need to spin it.
I personally don't like that camshaft either for a max effort cam only car. There's bigger options that will work metter IMO, might have to flycut for them, but it's worth it. Minimum I'd run is a trex, and make sure the valvesprings are shimmed to about .050 away from coil bind too, cause you'll need the spring pressure. I'd actually like to see a BIG cam cut on the new lsr lobe and see what that can do for power, that's almost a solid roller lobe, so it is bound to work, just have to put alot of spring in, and while the heads are off for the flycut, I'd upgrade the lifters too.
Shocks, springs, if you don't have them they will be needed.
As for the 110 fuel, the guys that don't know are the ones that are telling you ya don't need it. Leaded 110, or C12 would be a really good idea. The timing you can run with that and the power you can get from better fuel are substantial, especially if you put a cam in that really gets the static compression up.
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Well new for this season im going for a 10 second pass cam only. a 10.999 would be awsome.
here is the mod list currently
LID
plugs
truck coils
taylor wires
MS3-cam,springs,PR's
ls6 oil pump
cloyes timing set up
ls6 intake
car tuned on 110 octane
LT headers
ORY
SLP LM
yank SS4000 stall
umi adj LCA's
LCA relo's
slicks and skinnies
car is stripped down from bumper to bumper, ac,bumper supports etc...
all that remains in the interior is a poly race seat.
just wondering what else i could do to help push it for 10's
here is the mod list currently
LID
plugs
truck coils
taylor wires
MS3-cam,springs,PR's
ls6 oil pump
cloyes timing set up
ls6 intake
car tuned on 110 octane
LT headers
ORY
SLP LM
yank SS4000 stall
umi adj LCA's
LCA relo's
slicks and skinnies
car is stripped down from bumper to bumper, ac,bumper supports etc...
all that remains in the interior is a poly race seat.
just wondering what else i could do to help push it for 10's
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hey thanks for all the advice guys! back to the drawing bored.
ive been on the edge about gears, 390's with a 26" tire or go 410's with a 28".
im going to get a torque arm for sure,and drag shocks.
as far as the 110 octane did that so we could add 6 degrees of timing.
and start cutting door bars and such.
our d.a. in my homtown is ****! but in dallas where we will be running,its not to bad. early morning track runs have seen +300 d.a. there.
i dont know if i can hit 10's but it will be fun trying and ill give it hell.
thanks again guys!
ive been on the edge about gears, 390's with a 26" tire or go 410's with a 28".
im going to get a torque arm for sure,and drag shocks.
as far as the 110 octane did that so we could add 6 degrees of timing.
and start cutting door bars and such.
our d.a. in my homtown is ****! but in dallas where we will be running,its not to bad. early morning track runs have seen +300 d.a. there.
i dont know if i can hit 10's but it will be fun trying and ill give it hell.
thanks again guys!
I wouldn't even consider a 26 inch tire setup. If you want to go fast.. you need to hook, and a 26 isn't gonna get you the consistancey that you will need to get the car working as good as possible.
I'd honstly put 4.30's in with a 28 inch tire, and if you find yourself running out of gear, put a 29 inch tire on the car.... but as long as you're man enough to spin that stock shorty to 7100 it will make it.
I'd honstly put 4.30's in with a 28 inch tire, and if you find yourself running out of gear, put a 29 inch tire on the car.... but as long as you're man enough to spin that stock shorty to 7100 it will make it.
Converter looks a little small.
Baseline the combo and see what happens.
I remember Jay Billingsley messing with 110 a long time ago, had the timing cranked up to 35 degrees... I don't recall how much it helped.
Baseline the combo and see what happens.
I remember Jay Billingsley messing with 110 a long time ago, had the timing cranked up to 35 degrees... I don't recall how much it helped.
Damn jl he's not building a 10.40 car. Haha. Alot of overkill in what you would do. He prolly wants a budget setup and it can be done with minimal stuff. I would say tire gear and converter will be the most important part and 4.30 28inch tire setup will work good. Raceweight around 3300 and pray for good weather.
It won't be done by bolting together a bunch of parts, it needs thought. I've been there and done it. It's a fun task Though.
It won't be done by bolting together a bunch of parts, it needs thought. I've been there and done it. It's a fun task Though.
Last edited by camscam02; Apr 6, 2010 at 12:47 PM.
110 octane didn't do **** for me. Depending on the cam, intake, etc. the LSx only likes so much timing before it starts to lose power (at least on my car and the TRex) especially on stock compression, but maybe folks got there cars to do some magic. I did it on lil ole 91 octane with 11:1 CR. Cameron, what did you use for fuel?
110 octane didn't do **** for me. Depending on the cam, intake, etc. the LSx only likes so much timing before it starts to lose power (at least on my car and the TRex) especially on stock compression, but maybe folks got there cars to do some magic. I did it on lil ole 91 octane with 11:1 CR. Cameron, what did you use for fuel?
Ummmm, I think we had straight 100 in the car. We used it for reliability compared to straight pump gas. It didnt like anymore timing at all. So we still ran 26 degrees in it. We had the timing up to 30 and didnt notice anything track or dyno.
I agree with most of this but the converter is fine...check out the cam only list and compare 60ft times...ss4000 will be good...I have proved that it can work...
get yourself a rear drag bar...spohn has a decent bolt in one if you don't want to weld...definitely helped my car the most going from SI...
and definitely add a good high flow ram air...worth close to 3mph over stock setup...sux2bu, or something custom like I got in my sig...
jl is right I would go with just the 28" tall...my car would not hook anymore after I got the cam on 26" and that was with a 3.23 gear...track prep had to be insane...
last and most important all the little things add up...pay attention to detail...
I agree with cams it definitely can be done on a budjet...
get yourself a rear drag bar...spohn has a decent bolt in one if you don't want to weld...definitely helped my car the most going from SI...
and definitely add a good high flow ram air...worth close to 3mph over stock setup...sux2bu, or something custom like I got in my sig...
jl is right I would go with just the 28" tall...my car would not hook anymore after I got the cam on 26" and that was with a 3.23 gear...track prep had to be insane...
last and most important all the little things add up...pay attention to detail...
I agree with cams it definitely can be done on a budjet...
.Your a much better example for sure, and think you ran the same cam (MS3) too. Rick and I played with timing alot, and it made nothing more over 28*, regardless of octane.