What button/switch to use for line lock and where to put it?
Ed, I know how a line lock works so please stop trying to talk down to me. I feel more comfortable having my circuit wired with a master on/off switch as well as a momentary switch since it uses the cruise control and asr switches. What if your momentary switch broke while in the burnout box? Oh right, nothing ever breaks. Just because you or the super stock guys do something doesn't mean its the bible.
Just trying to keep guys from doing things wrong. You might consider not trying to give advice when you don't actually know all that much.
If my button broke in the water box it would cease to function.
Your master cut-off is supposed to shut off everything.
If my button broke in the water box it would cease to function.
Your master cut-off is supposed to shut off everything.
Last edited by Ed Wright; Dec 31, 2013 at 11:41 AM.
You might consider thinking outside the box instead of in your close-minded world before considering your reply as appropriate for all circumstances that may occur. I'm just trying to keep people safe.
I suppose in all of your experience you have never had a momentary switch fail in the "on" position? Not all cars run a master cutoff switch nor would there be a need for it especially if you had an on/off switch for the circuit in question. Again, what you do and what the rest of the world does may not coincide and that doesn't make it wrong yet you seem to believe otherwise.
Sorry, I just have to ask: Who do you know stupid enough to hold the lone lock button down while driving, to ever apply the brakes while doing it?
And if you actually do know somebody that dumb, are you dumb enough to loan them your car?
Been racing over 50 years now, had line locks since they were first introduced not long after I started. I have never seen a line lock button fail, other than the rubber band that holds them to the shift lever break. Have, however seen toggle switches fail. An extra toggle switch is just one more thing to go wrong.
And if you actually do know somebody that dumb, are you dumb enough to loan them your car?
Been racing over 50 years now, had line locks since they were first introduced not long after I started. I have never seen a line lock button fail, other than the rubber band that holds them to the shift lever break. Have, however seen toggle switches fail. An extra toggle switch is just one more thing to go wrong.
I guess you are one of those "If I haven't seen it, it isn't true" kinda people. My line lock is the accel momentary portion of the cruise control switch. Stupid people keep me in business! If you hit the LL switch, driving down the street, you just want have front brakes.
The solenoid won't let fluid pass to the front brakes.
Why is everyone doing burnouts in the water box?
You roll through the water box, not spinning your tires.
Then do your burnout on the back edge of the water box.
The solenoid won't let fluid pass to the front brakes.
Why is everyone doing burnouts in the water box?
You roll through the water box, not spinning your tires.
Then do your burnout on the back edge of the water box.
I can not imagine somebody stupid enough to push the line lock button while driving down the street, but since I see that mentioned so often here they must exist.
Btw, that Cruise Control circuit is not very robust. Not sure how long I would trust that running an electric solenoid. LOL
Btw, that Cruise Control circuit is not very robust. Not sure how long I would trust that running an electric solenoid. LOL
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Verdad Gallardo Your childish comments and mightier than you attitude really show who you are.
Your front brakes do the majority of your braking so I'm not sure if you are agreeing with me here?
I use this fancy shmancy dudad called a RELAY! But keep it coming Ed, you have an answer for everything about how something you don't do is wrong. I'm really starting to enjoy it!
If you hit the LL switch, driving down the street, you just want have front brakes.
The solenoid won't let fluid pass to the front brakes.
Why is everyone doing burnouts in the water box?
You roll through the water box, not spinning your tires.
Then do your burnout on the back edge of the water box.
The solenoid won't let fluid pass to the front brakes.
Why is everyone doing burnouts in the water box?
You roll through the water box, not spinning your tires.
Then do your burnout on the back edge of the water box.
I can not imagine somebody stupid enough to push the line lock button while driving down the street, but since I see that mentioned so often here they must exist.
Btw, that Cruise Control circuit is not very robust. Not sure how long I would trust that running an electric solenoid. LOL
Btw, that Cruise Control circuit is not very robust. Not sure how long I would trust that running an electric solenoid. LOL
I use this fancy shmancy dudad called a RELAY! But keep it coming Ed, you have an answer for everything about how something you don't do is wrong. I'm really starting to enjoy it! I remember being in my twenties, thinking I knew a better way to do everything, knew more than everybody else.
Then you grow up and realize the companies making this stuff aren't stupid after all, and the most people do things the same way for a reason.
Relays fail more often than momentary switches also.
The KISS method works pretty well.
Then you grow up and realize the companies making this stuff aren't stupid after all, and the most people do things the same way for a reason.
Relays fail more often than momentary switches also.
The KISS method works pretty well.
All I'm saying is, if someone hits the LL switch while driving, you want have front breaks until you cut the switch back off.
Just because you may accidentally hit the switch, doesn't mean the front brakes are going to lock up.
Just because you may accidentally hit the switch, doesn't mean the front brakes are going to lock up.
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Mr. Wright is only trying to prevent others from causing an accident and/or getting themselves hurt. Sometimes getting a blunt answer is because he cares for your safety and the safety of others. Take advantage of the experience of others!
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Remember, the switch I posted ? Inside looks like a micro switch for a WOT nitrous switch.
They work like a doorbell button....only when pressed.....could they fail ? yes... do contacts weld them selves closed sometimes ? yes.
Have I heard of one stuck closed ? no....but breaking and not working ? yes.
Not saying it couldn't happen though.....Murphy's Law
They work like a doorbell button....only when pressed.....could they fail ? yes... do contacts weld them selves closed sometimes ? yes.
Have I heard of one stuck closed ? no....but breaking and not working ? yes.
Not saying it couldn't happen though.....Murphy's Law
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Remember, the switch I posted ? Inside looks like a micro switch for a WOT nitrous switch.
They work like a doorbell button....only when pressed.....could they fail ? yes... do contacts weld them selves closed sometimes ? yes.
Have I heard of one stuck closed ? no....but breaking and not working ? yes.
Not saying it couldn't happen though.....Murphy's Law
Put it somewhere that's not easy to hit accidently or on a cord used only during race days ?
inside the switch looks a lot like this
They work like a doorbell button....only when pressed.....could they fail ? yes... do contacts weld them selves closed sometimes ? yes.
Have I heard of one stuck closed ? no....but breaking and not working ? yes.
Not saying it couldn't happen though.....Murphy's Law
Put it somewhere that's not easy to hit accidently or on a cord used only during race days ?
inside the switch looks a lot like this
Last edited by Doug G; Jan 4, 2014 at 06:16 AM.
I have the normal Line Lock button that normally goes on the shift lever of a manual Trans shifter lever on my tilt column lever. Easy to reach when needed, not going to be accidentally applied. Before I would use a micro switch shown above (low amps ) and I found myself buying a line lock kit with no button (I wouldn't) I would use a spring loaded toggle first. I personally would not add more switches or relays, just more things to give you problems. People that have done this a long time (not just me) have learned to not do that. Some of us the hard way.
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Now for a Monkey wrench in the mix.....I've even heard some install in in the rear line and use to prevent pressure to the rear brakes. This I don't understand.
I would want it in the front to hold me still in a stick car to make the burn out easier and/or to hold me on the line staged.....easier with 2 feet and 3 pedals
I would want it in the front to hold me still in a stick car to make the burn out easier and/or to hold me on the line staged.....easier with 2 feet and 3 pedals
I ran mine in the rear line on my procharged auto silverado. I only did this to avoid all the plumbing of the abs system. It was just used for burnouts in the waterboxand then foot braked in the beams. A lot of the truck guys do this. As for the LL in my m6 car I use a momentary switch on the handle and an sjm kit
Your truck front wheel drive?
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Hahaha no I would hold the button then put on the brakes stopped pressure from goin to the rear brakes. It worked well. It's like the old redneck way to do big burnouts, put a pair of vice grips on the rear brake hose lol