Fulton 1

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I personally find it interesting that Ford is or will be building: 380hp Lightning, 390hp Cobra, 300hp Mach I, 500hp GT40, and a 310hp Marauder. Meanwhile GM shelves the F-body, rethinks the C6, and creates GM Performance Division to build high performance SUVs and compacts <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

Seems to me that Ford is the one with its performance act together. Mind you I'm not a "Ford guy", but you have to be blind not to see this.

Crazyquik

I agree that the Cobra is probably underrated at 390 hp. For one it makes the insurance a little lower. Also, if you payed 55k-70k for a Cobra R last year and it has 385 hp, wouldn't you be a little pissed if ~18 months later Ford comes out with a ~420 hp motor that would have fit? Rating at 390 might help keep the R owners calmed down.

J.

mattf2

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JayLS1-327:
<strong> Plus the Cobra as a smaller engine. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">not on the outside!

If you look at the bottom of the road test digest in C&D, I think they run it w/ a full tank, 150 lbs of stuff, granny shift....

Oh yeah, and about them running 13.5 in a Cobra. What have I been saying all this time? RINGER!!

I'm sure these will fly once the boost is brought up, just waiting to see them run stock for now...

JayLS1-327

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390 HP from a 4.6 is impressive N/A or S/C. Trying to compare it to a S/C LS1 is nuts, has anybody ever took a bone stock LS1 and just slapped a supercharger on it and left everything else alone ? I really don't think anybody has, most people will at least do exhaust work with it. Plus the Cobra as a smaller engine. If I had the money I would buy one next year, but again if GM still made the Camaro I would rather have an F-body.

tbone4232

Hey Bob get off my *****.i was just talking dont try to make me look dumb because the fact of the matter is that ford is always talking fast and never puts out. i think it will happen again. its a shitty block, its ford, its a mustang. and 390 hp is what there rated at. thats weak for a supercharged engine.. 450+ for a supercharged. for a ls1........ if you want to lick the corbas tail pipe goahed but dont think that car is going to be running smooth for 100000 miles, its a ford. if it were me i would buy a used ls1 and a super charger have more power and about 10000 bucks left and have a realy well built car. im not some GM monkey , its not a gang. i like GM because it makes a WAY!!! better car. and you have to admit that there is no comparsion with GM and ford. Yha so i might NOT be some kind of tail pipe sucking god of mustangs(i have a life) but i know whats good and whats not. and yha i admit its fast, but not that fast,i dont think by any means its a 11 sec car with just bolt ons?10 hell no. but i dont milk the tail pipe, BOB,.....so just tell us whats right and wrong.

one more thing BOB please stop pokeing fun at people aka me, your not some god , you just a guy, put your 2 cents in but dont make fun of people, thats rude, i hate it more when the person pokes fun at people online that means they are a little punk *** bit#c. go beat up a little dog are something your no one important.

Bob Cosby

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">dont try to make me look dumb</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Don't worry...that it not something I have to try to do.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">if it were me i would buy a used ls1 and a super charger have more power and about 10000 bucks left and have a realy well built car.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Cool man, go do it. More power to ya.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">your not some god, you just a guy</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No doubt about that. See, we can agree.

Hey, you're welcome to your opinions...but when you post them on a public message board, don't be surprised when someone calls you on them - especially when they are as....uh....'fanciful' are yours.

You have a nice day now...and when the 03 Cobra's run 11's with a very, very few bolt-ons, and on their stock tires, I can assure you that I won't start a post saying "I told you so". <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Bob Cosby

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Oh yeah, and about them running 13.5 in a Cobra. What have I been saying all this time? RINGER!</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you read the entire article, you'll find that the Cobra that they tested - and another that they had for comparison - put down 272 RWHP. Don't believe that qualifies for 'ringer' status. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

And again...I pointed all this out just to show the sillyness involved in quoting magazines as gospel.

NoOne

I'm not a big fan of the new Cobra for one reason, the Eaton blower.

now what would be cool is a Cobra w/ the current 03 motor and a turbo!

The Eaton heat machine w/ its W/A intercooler just isn't repeatable.

The 118mph run, what did it run the next run or the one after that hot lapping it? The W/A was probably for packaging as the Eaton for cost, packaging, and availability.

But what about the person who is not happy running 115-118 in the quarter? That SC only puts out so much, so your looking at a dead end solution without investing some major money.

Yes its a great factory car, 118 almost Viper MPH and any Cobra owner with a half way decent driver would beat one on the street.

But what happens when the guy roles up on a modded Viper or a Modded LS1, gets beat and decides he wants to be faster than the car that just beat him?

Pull out the wallet, the Eaton needs to come off <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Joe Kizzire

Bob you're gonna have a stroke!!!!!

By the way ain't this called a pecker measuring contest. Nope.... you would actually have to whoop em out to do that. Nah this is just Bob going postal. What's wroung Bob???? Things kiinda slow over at the pony pen today???

Bob Cosby

Hi Joe. Are you having fun? So am I.

Is it Geritol time for you yet? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Eric...I don't know the answers to all your questions. We'll likely have to wait till the cars hit the streets in sufficient numbers to get some idea of those things.

I don't know the max boost of the Eaton. This was posted by Johnny Hunkins over on CamaroZ28.com a little while back...

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">In the test last Friday at E-town the boost gauge was pegged (17.5 psi). The pulley used was a throw-away Lightning pulley, so you can't really compare "mods-to-mods" with the cost of adding a blower to an LS1. We're talking about a motor that not only has great flowing heads and a blower-friendly compression ratio, but an engine that has an air-to-water intercooler and plenty of R&D time from the larger Lightning variant.

The fuel system: Don't know what's in the Cobra stock, but we had a Horiba wide-band A/F ratio meter hooked up and it was practically dead rich the whole run (never went higher than 11:1). That was on a run well over 117 mph. It's going to take a lot more airflow than 18 psi of boost (stock motor to max out the Cobra's fuel system.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This was in the post in which he was talking about Evan Smith going 12.0 @ 117 with just the pulley swap.

I do know that KenneBell makes a positive-displacement blower that bolts directly to the 5.4L Lightning motor, and puts out 22 lbs of boost. It would seem logical that this might also be something the the Cobra could use, or that perhaps could be marketed for the Cobra. But in the end, I just don't know.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Maybe if Bob puts a kit on his Cobra we can see a REALLY sweet ET from a blown snake </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You know Tony....I am going to get tired of being 'slow' before too awfully long. I said I'd never do it, but you never know... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

<small>[ June 04, 2002, 08:51 AM: Message edited by: Bob Cosby ]</small>

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">what would be cool is a Cobra w/ the current 03 motor and a turbo!</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That would be sweet! Turbos are much nicer than Eaton superchargers.

Skelton

To answer the 3 sports car question, WHY NOT! I hate jap cars with a passion and just dont like anything but American muscle. I have my 01 formula which is a little over a year old now and will evolve over the next 2 years as a big turbo'd, large cubed drag monster. The SS will be driven daily and raced alot on road courses and the every now and then drag strip which it just went 12.02 @122 on the stock GY's last weekend in 90 degree heat with no weight reduction period. A 01 cobra would just be something different and if you can look past previous cobra's, it will have LOTS of potential. I will definately have to try one out <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> I really dont care too much for the stangs anymore but what the hell.Also there are much better drag races for FORDS these days <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" /> If I dont like it, back to stock it will go and see ya. I think a new Harley Davidson blown 5.4 might have to replace the current tow vehicle. HMMMM.

jleews6

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Dont get me wrong i love my ws6 but im with Bob on this one.I think that the new Cobras with tires, pulley and a good exaust will have no problem going a 120 plus.I have worked on a couple of blown cobras in the past and i have seen them put down 500+ rwhp with an "s" trim some headers,maf and 36# injectors and a good tune.They dont last very long at that level but they can make alot of power with boost. The most comon problem is the pistons cant take the detonation.The new ones wont have that problem.

Rpm2800

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by tbone4232:
<strong>yha but whos gunna mod a new cobra? your not going to see a lot of them on the road that people want to mod, 40000 is alot to start trinking with. i tell you if i see a new one and someone wants to race with it ill run them, most likley it will be a old man with a stock car, everyone has new mustangs becouse of the price , i could have got a 2000 gt with 10000 miles for the same price i got my 98 z28 with 60000 miles, i just dont think that its all its piped up to be, after all it is ford, i guess we will see, ford is cheap and lots of people go for cheap, i would rather spend the extra bucks and get a z06, after you cant say that a z06 is 10x better then any car evermade...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">If you buy the car you probably are not broke or struggling. $40,000 is not alot of money to SOME...ALOT of people. People mod $80,000 Vipers all the time.

Joe Kizzire

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Patman:
<strong>I'm glad Ford is bringing this car out, it'll force GM to make sure the 2004 Camaro has some serious power behind it. Who knows, maybe we'll see a 2004 LS6 Camaro!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Patman I thought the same thimg.... I just hope that gm don't stick a $40,000 price tag on it.

JUISSD

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I love the LS1's, but you have to respect the new Cobra. All forged internals, 390hp, finally a 6spd, they're moving in the right direction at least. I still have more respect for the LS1 though. The capabilities of this motor seem endless! VERY efficient, and positively responds to just about every bolt-on you can throw at it. The heads are a marvel! What other factory head is capable of over 330cfm? All this power from "good ole pushrod" technology. Blowers are cool and all, but I almost think it's a cop out that they resorted to a blower to catch up to the LS1's. At least they did it with the same type that the Lightning has, and have lots of input to use. A buddy of mine has a 99 Lightning, few bolt-ons, upper and lower blower pulleys, chip, and runs low 12's all day. I'm confident the Cobras will hit 11's with bolt-ons easily. But as previously stated, the Eaton is pretty limited as far as boost is concerned. The Cobras will hit the 11's easily, but what then? To go REALLY fast, they'll have to ditch the blower and go with something else. Oh well, I'm proud of the American car companies putting out better and better products (come on GM, where are ya?), and I know a lightly modded 03 Cobra will beat me easily (until my heads/cam/Vortech install is done anyways!!)