I don't see the difference as is. Both are modified suspensions and motors. Both run nitrous, both run very impressive times.

Just because a motor is technologically superior doesn't really make it faster, just more expensive.

Again, this is still about the 4th gen suspension and who's the fastest in it. ARE's got the fastest LS1, Madman has the fastest 4th gen suspension car. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

 

I'm sure Brian wouldn't have a problem meeting ARE halfway(St. Louis, Indianapolis, Memphis). I'll let him respond when (if) he ever wakes up tomorrow.

Again, congrats on a kickass afternoon/evening!

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JoSeY:
<strong>

FAIR!!! <img border="0" alt="[bullshit]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_bs.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LOL....if you just look at those 2 words above

"fair bullshit"

its kinda like an oxymoron no? <img border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" title="" src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />

Some people take this stuff too seriously....can you imagine the **** that would be going down on an internet message board if all the winston cup drivers had one? LMAO.....they'd all be yelling about bumping and how it isn't fair

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JoSeY:
<strong>...it's called **** TALK!!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">...people **** talk in drag racing , noooooooooo <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" /> Its just that ....**** TALK . Some off you guys really need to work on that sense of humor thing a little . Its all about friendly competition , gotta keep the other guy on his toes <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Congrads Brian on the new times .

<small>[ November 03, 2002, 02:23 AM: Message edited by: LT4vert ]</small>

 

Im gonna put my .02 in here. For me its not about comparing apples to oranges. There are several ways to make a case of the similarities or difference between these cars. Its a moot point and could never be hashed out to an agreement anyways...so why argue it. Both cars were built to run a specific class..Im sure there will be a time and place for them to go head to head at some point.

I am with the group here that thinks Madmans comments are inappropriate and undeserved. Think about the two recent events that led up to this.
Event 1: ARE first in the 8s with stock style suspension with an 8.92
Event 2: Madman beats that mark with a lower time.

To understand why some of us dont like MADMANs comments you just need to read both posts. Nineball posted the original thread on the ARE car going 8s. There was NO bashing of MADMAN by Wade or ARE guys...as a matter of fact he wasnt even mentioned.

Now go to the begining of this post.
First words from MADMAN: </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">*** getcha some ARE!! 8.75 @ 156 1.260 60'
Can you run? Were's your money bitch?? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Those type of comments along with the two or three other posts in the drag racing section calling out ARE is not exactly the type of profesional behavior I would expect from a sponsor...especially towards another sponsor.

<small>[ November 03, 2002, 05:11 AM: Message edited by: 383LQ4SS ]</small>

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by NEWBIRD:
<strong>WOW!! Madman you went from a respected sportsman to a GIANT SIZE ******* ALL IN ONE WEEK good for you!!!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well said. Show a little class Madman. You obviously have a fast car. BUT, it's not that fast for you to be talking the kind of **** you are. High 8's is by no means a world class run in a non LS1 car.

ARE should be very proud of their accomplishments and they are obviously quality people.

 

LMAO @ all the 13.2@108mph haters! Nice run Madman!!!

 

It's an F-Body in the 8's. Thats awesome. Congrats Madman! As for the breakdowns, how far do we need to go? Look at some of the cubes on these LS1's, needless to say, anything in the 8's is flyin. Run what ye brung.

 

That is a nice run. The reason I don't subscribe to Hot Rod, though, is because I have an LS1 - not a small block chevy. Challenging ARE is like these guys challenging you. They are at least running the same block though!!!

www.tweaked2.com

What's your fastest LS1? That is what I am interested in - especially on LS1Tech.com.

-Geoff

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by RAGEman:
<strong> ARE clearly stated a few days ago that they wouldn't be able to make the almost pointless (for them) 1400-mile trip. The car is fast, but there's no need to attack another sponsor, simply because he was the first to the 8's.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I guess I don't see how it would pointless. Your promoting your shop, what it can do, and there is no better way to promote your shop to your target group of money spenders than to go a shootout like the Thunder Shootout. So what if it causes them to lose a days worth of business. Put someone behind the phones at shop, take down names and numbers, call people back who wanted to buy your product because came to the race, showed well, and put your face in front of the masses. I'm sure that about 99.9999999% of the people here would understand why there product will be pushed back a day or two, if they did tow to the race. Think of all the business they could have generated if they had showed, put down great numbers in front the masses. I'm sure MM will be getting more phone calls on Monday morning because of what he did. In order to make money, most the time you have to spend it, and if spending it means racing the fastest heads up after a 1400 mile tow then thats what needs to be done. Congrats again MADMAN!!! <img border="0" alt="[chug]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_chug.gif" />

 

Guys,

This is silly <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

I was expecting MADMAN to run a LOT faster than he did.

Wade runs 8.92@155mph OFF the footbrake with nitrous hitting about 5 feet out.

Short time of only 1.39 (which isn't all that great for an 8 second car)

With a good clean nitrous launch off the T-brake Wade will go 8.7's@~157 just like Madman did and a sixty in the 1.2's.

I give Madman props for running the number and I am sure he has more in the car.

BTW what is MADMANS raceweight? Is he running FULL interior like Wade is with ALL interior panels/carpet/front seats in place?

If he has a 3000 pound raceweight car then the difference in times is explained ENTIRELY by the weight difference in the two cars <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> Wade could easily take out another 200 pounds and run high 8.7's LOW 8.8's OFF the FOOTBRAKE!

So while Madmans ET/MPH is a great accomplishment for a stock suspended F-body, Wade's ability to take a factory resleeved, factory headed LS1 to the 8's on stock suspension is even more impressive IMO <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

LS1's in the 8's = 1 (ARE)
Stock suspended LS1's in the 8's (MADMAN and ARE)
Built SBC's in the 8's (thousands)
<img border="0" alt="[devil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" />
cheers,
Chris

<small>[ November 03, 2002, 09:11 AM: Message edited by: Chris ARE 360 ]</small>

 

ARE we a bunch of LS1 SNOBS Damn <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" /> For all you little b!tches out there when you're dealing with RACE cars it is almost too easy to make power but you need to be able to hook that power and thats alot harder to do

Anyway Congrats Madman your car is flying <img border="0" alt="[hail]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" />

BTW I never bought anything from A.R.E. or Madman and probably never will

LAter <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

 

I saw mad mans car leave like a ****. I talked to sam crew and the orange car pulled a 1.28 sixty ft also <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> all I can say is , that is one awsome track that I am blessed to live only 1 hour away from and I am glad that you all came and visited . <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Chris ARE 360:
<strong>Guys,
BTW what is MADMANS raceweight? Is he running FULL interior like Wade is with ALL interior panels/carpet/front seats in place?

</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The Shootout rules required that the Pro-Outlaw Class weigh in at AT LEAST 3200 lbs. We were very strict on the weight issue and the cars were put on the scales after each pass. Madman's car weighed in at 3208 lbs. (I just checked the log book from the scales.) The rules also stated that the cars must have full interior, including both front seats, and this was checked for also.

Angie

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Playdough:
<strong>[QUOTE]I guess I don't see how it would pointless. Your promoting your shop, what it can do, and there is no better way to promote your shop to your target group of money spenders than to go a shootout like the Thunder Shootout. So what if it causes them to lose a days worth of business. Put someone behind the phones at shop, take down names and numbers, call people back who wanted to buy your product because came to the race, showed well, and put your face in front of the masses. I'm sure that about 99.9999999% of the people here would understand why there product will be pushed back a day or two, if they did tow to the race. Think of all the business they could have generated if they had showed, put down great numbers in front the masses. I'm sure MM will be getting more phone calls on Monday morning because of what he did. In order to make money, most the time you have to spend it, and if spending it means racing the fastest heads up after a 1400 mile tow then thats what needs to be done. Congrats again MADMAN!!! <img border="0" alt="[chug]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_chug.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No doubt! If I had a nickle for every one of my friends who was irritated that their engine wasn't going to be finished that week because the engine builder took off to some race... yet they keep having work done at that shop because they win those races <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Angie:
<strong>

The Shootout rules required that the Pro-Outlaw Class weigh in at AT LEAST 3200 lbs. We were very strict on the weight issue and the cars were put on the scales after each pass. Madman's car weighed in at 3208 lbs. (I just checked the log book from the scales.) The rules also stated that the cars must have full interior, including both front seats, and this was checked for also.

Angie</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LOL, Chris Pippy....angie OWNZZZZZZZ YOU!

<img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Chris ARE 360:
<strong>

I was expecting MADMAN to run a LOT faster than he did.

Wade runs 8.92@155mph OFF the footbrake with nitrous hitting about 5 feet out.

Short time of only 1.39 (which isn't all that great for an 8 second car)

cheers,
Chris</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I was there to watch the run, and I believe there will be many video posts, Yes he got off the line VERY well, but he also let out once, possibly twice and got back into it a little past the 330 mark. so once again, CONGRATS MADMAN!!

 

So who is going to be the first to run a 7 with stock suspension??

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by mongse:
<strong>I'm sure Brian wouldn't have a problem meeting ARE halfway(St. Louis, Indianapolis, Memphis). I'll let him respond when (if) he ever wakes up tomorrow.

Again, congrats on a kickass afternoon/evening!</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Bring that **** to Indy next year! I think some of the Chi-town guys would agree on this also....If ya need a place to run we have IRP for a weekend in May....More to come.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Congrats MadMan! I don't care if it is SBC, LT1, or LS1....It is an stock suspension'd F-Body....It ran 8's....So props to MadMan and Company! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />

 

Holy Crap!!! That is flyin' Who cares what motor it was done on, I would think it would be even more difficult with an LT1 especially w/ opticrap.
Congrats!!
-Mark