Richie Carbone

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Mike, after the 4th pass I noticed the car was missing, no knocking or tapping noises so I knew it wasn't the bottom end. Tim hooked up the EFI Live and it showed multiple misfires on #7. The plug looked fine so we pulled the valve cover and Tim noticed that the rocker arm on the intake valve was coming apart, and the retainer had a crack in it, the spring was also very weak I could easily compress it by hand. They are year old 918's. The guys over at Cartek were willing to pull a rocker from one of their own cars to help us out, we would have taken them up on their offer but didn't want to chance it with the weak spring. We decided to pull the intake pushrod, and disconnect the injector for #7 and I drove it home 2 hrs on 7 cylinders <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

The car was way down on power, the springs were probably on the way out, it dynoed 372 RWHP 367 RWTQ Friday night. I had 2 back to back 12.54's and the car cut 2 1.85 60's which is not bad for a lowered T/A, 3.42's on Nitto's, the pass and back seats were removed along with the spare and jack.The car will be back out for the SLP Day here in Orlando. Tomorrow were replacing the 918's, rocker and retainer and we'll try to redyno the car. The car also needs some work, it has a bent k member, needs 2 front tires, a camber kit and an alignment, the negative camber is maxed out and it's alot of fun to drive in the rain <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> the chords on the inside are showing too! Hopefully the owner Joey Zujus of Lethally Injected F-Bodies will have the car straightened out by then and some more gear and a 12 bolt would be nice too.

Oh yeah I was coming off the line @ 5500. Cartek clutches rock! <img border="0" alt="[driving]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_driving3.gif" />

<small>[ February 10, 2003, 11:52 PM: Message edited by: Richie Carbone ]</small>

Richie Carbone

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by MechMan:
<strong> Hey tim,
how did you get in the cam only class?
They wouldnt let me in, because they didnt believe
I had stock heads. My best motor run has been a 11.85
with the cam only. Do you know what won it? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">MechMan, They didn't give me any hassle at all when I told them I had a cam and bolt ons. I wasn't even planning on getting a trophy due to the times the car put out, but it was consistent, 2 back to back 12.54's and two 1.85 60's with 3.42's on a lowered T/A. At least my driving skills haven't fallen off considering it's been a year since I ran a car at the track. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

It was fun driving home on 7 cylinders and no catback though <img border="0" alt="[bang head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" />

Thanks again to the Cartek crew for their willingness to go out of their way to help us out with our rocker arm issue.

The guys from Cartek also drove their C5's down from NJ through snow and did the same for the ride home. Now that deserves a big thumbs up! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

<small>[ February 10, 2003, 12:35 PM: Message edited by: Richie Carbone ]</small>

Fly By

LMAO! thats still a FAR cry from what they were running in NJ! One 10.99 from them? Thats all? Still impressive, but 122-124 is more like it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

What was the DA for the day?

<small>[ February 10, 2003, 12:49 PM: Message edited by: Fly By ]</small>

gator's 99TA

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so let me get this straight (since i am a dumbass according to JS)....

Cartek's cars make HUGE power on heads and cam and prove it on their dynos. their dynos are corrected to STANDARD. they run BIG mph in underground mine weather in NJ - which proves they took advantage of the big air there. UNDERSTOOD at this point. now they run in AVERAGE (dare i say STANDARD) air in florida and they come up limp? they run what the average 420-425 RWHP car does in Florida, about 122-123 (considering their very low raceweight). if they dyno numbers are corrected to std levels, shouldnt they run that sort of level (450-460 RWHP should make around 125+mph) in florida weather and should run OBSCENE numbers in -1500 DA in NJ? oh and all my correlations for mph are for these 3200 lbs and lighter Z06 cars.

just a confused dude.

<small>[ February 11, 2003, 12:52 AM: Message edited by: gator's 99TA ]</small>

VINCE

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Now this is getting out of hand.. When I left the track on Sunday it was pouring rain. They had just finished all the practice runs.. They had just called the drivers over for instructions for the real Shootout.. Did the rain stop and they had the real shootout? If not, they had to go by the cars that did practice and by the times they had already posted.. The DA pretty much sucks at the track all the time.. The only time it really does not is in the summer or people get lucky and catch track day on the first cold front rolling through. Cartek did dominate their class. However, Cartek had the most H/C C5's there pretty much. I know most of the other C5 owners from my area and they cant drive. Civic's are throwing dirt in their face.. Most of the C5 drivers did not even know how to line up at the tree or when to go.. No doubt that Cartek came down and represented their shop well. Not many real racers showed up this past Sunday either. The weekend b4 the track was rented out to 2 groups and some of them broke down that weekend and could not make it to this past shootout. I for one do not run my car at the track anymore. Oh yeah, I keep asking this one question and JS.. I emailed you as well.. Did Mike(Stealth) run at the shootout?

JS

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Vince,I would like to thank u for being nuetral.I deleted my last post because I'm not gonna get into a pissing match with people who dont understand drag racing.U helped me make that decision with your last few posts and I'm done with this crap.

Hope u have a good spring/summer...
Vince FWIW my car is gonna be more on the lines of yours come the summer.I'll be happy with 11.70's on DR's and full interior.Drag racing is too $$ and there's too much BS all the time.I'd rather be slow and sit back and just eat popcorn..

To tell ya the truth Vince,I dont know if Mike took his car or not.I dont think they got it finished in time..

JS

<small>[ February 11, 2003, 09:38 AM: Message edited by: JS ]</small>

VINCE

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Thanks JS.. I am sure Cartek will start a new thread and post the results.. It is only fair for Cartek to tell what they think.. I am sure if Mike would have been there with his C5 there would have been more sub 11 passes.. Drag Racing is expensive. I like my car running. That is one of the main reasons I do not hit the track like others. I do not want to remove weight out of my car. I have never cared about times.. I am not done with my car by a long shot though.. I have another $15k atleast to spend <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> The funny thing is.. It will never see track time..

gator's 99TA

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LOL, Vince you have been in Florida too long if you think the DA sucks there all the time (or even most of the time). elevation is at sea level, baro is genearlly high. the only thing is the dew point (and humidity, same idea here) are usually bad.

Bad DA is like i have run in KC where the DA is +3500-4000 feet! our elevation is only 850 feet too, so WE have bad air! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> a bad day in florida is +500-700 feet. i know of stock or mild bolt on ls1 cars (6 speeds to shoot) running 14.0 @ 98 mph on days like that!

also breaking at the track is not that bad untill you start really hooking the car well. then crap breaks.

DavidBusch

I'd like to thank Ernie and all of his crew for organizing a great event.

I'd like to thank all the other shops, and racers for there support when we need it especially Tracy.

We had a great time and enjoyed meeting every one. We drove 27 hours through snow in 4 states with only 2 hours of sleep. When we arrived on Sat. afternoon, ate lunch and decided to race our 98 Camaro with a stroker and NOS, because there was a 80% chance of rain on Sun. and couldn't go home without making at least one pass. On our 1st pass the car didn't come up brake and bogged off the line, spun the tires about 100 feet out, lifted got back in it and ran 147 MPH trap speed. Julio can post the slip later I believe the 60 foot was a 1.8 something. The next round the car came up on the trans brake perfectly and the lights came down, the NOS came on, the car stood on the bumper and headed for the right lane where the other racer was and came down hard. Tracy L. came down and offered his help, which we appreciated. When we assessed the damage we decided it would be smarter not to try and fix it at the track and wait until we got back to the shop.

On Sunday Mark, Brent, Billy, and Rob raced they're C5 vettes with heads and cam. Brent went 10.99 at I think 125 mph (he can post the slip), Mark went 11.06 at 126.50 mph. Billy and Rob ran well but I do not know the exact times. Les's car (from FL) with 3.42 gears, cats, ET streets, and a substitute driver ran either 11.6 or 11.7 not sure, but I'm sure its on ZO6 vette forum. All of these cars dyno from 440-450 RWHP SAE corrected not standard and were installed around a year ago. None of these cars run the new Stage 2X Revision heads that have dynod over 470 RWHP SAE corrected. I think the FL track times and MPH speak for them selves.

We had a great time and the track hooks! Everyone was friendly and it was great meeting everyone and hope to do it again. We would have liked to bring down more cars with us but it is hard for everyone to get off work and travel the distance. We also appreciated our customers who made the trip even if it was just to watch and the local customers and to put a face with the voice on the phone.

It's a shame the rain didn't hold out, I'm sure the afternoon would have been even better.

Dave

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by DavidBusch:
<strong>Brent went 10.99 at I think 125 mph (he can post the slip), Mark went 11.06 at 126.50 mph. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That fast? Nice. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
So where are the 122mph traps that some people were claiming these cars were only running? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

VINCE

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I was there.. It was 10.99 at 123mph.. Unless he ran 10's more than once.. That is what several of us witnessed..

LS1LT1

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Ok. Maybe he ran a faster mph on one of his low 11 second passes then.

slobra281

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by VINCE:
<strong> I was there.. It was 10.99 at 123mph.. Unless he ran 10's more than once.. That is what several of us witnessed.. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ditto. It was a 10.99 @ 123. I saw the Cartek vette's trap consistantly in the 122-124 range all day long, with one of them trapping 126 mph when the weather cooled just before the rains came.

1/4milecrazy

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by gator's 99TA:
<strong> so let me get this straight (since i am a dumbass according to JS)....

Cartek's cars make HUGE power on heads and cam and prove it on their dynos. their dynos are corrected to STANDARD. they run BIG mph in underground mine weather in NJ - which proves they took advantage of the big air there. UNDERSTOOD at this point. now they run in AVERAGE (dare i say STANDARD) air in florida and they come up limp? they run what the average 420-425 RWHP car does in Florida, about 122-123 (considering their very low raceweight). if they dyno numbers are corrected to std levels, shouldnt they run that sort of level (450-460 RWHP should make around 125+mph) in florida weather and should run OBSCENE numbers in -1500 DA in NJ? oh and all my correlations for mph are for these 3200 lbs and lighter Z06 cars.

just a confused dude. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">ok first of all our dyno uses SAE corection,and the cars that were there were older x packages,they all dynoed in the 440-450 range.the blue z06 that you saw did go 10.99 and the guys were running just a little lower than there regular trap speeds but they were not off by as much as stated,you people also must remember that this is an unfamiliar track to these guys,it did take a few passes just to learn the track,our tracks up here dont hook ANYTHING like that one did and you can see in most of the runs that they were booging really bad out of the hole,when they did get the feel of the track they started kickinbg @$$,didnt anyone see the blue z06 with the 1.45 short time?all im saying is why cant we just give credit where credit is due,if someone was not there for the entire event where does he get the nerve to say that we didnt do this or didnt do thatif anyone wants to see some vids from florida you can check them out for yourselves http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=489956

VINCE

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I was there until it rained.. What did I miss? I never said Cartek cars did not kick ***.. No doubt Cartek showed up and laid the smack down in their class.. We are happy you like the way they prep the track in Florida.. I you want good 60ft's.. This is the place.. Bradenton Motorsports is the home of the SnowBird Nationals.. They do an excellent job of hosting events.. We hope to see Cartek again in our area.. Summer time is even better.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Fly By

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> didnt anyone see the blue z06 with the 1.45 short time?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">They still cut those times in NJ did they not? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> the guys were running just a little lower than there regular trap speeds but they were not off by as much as stated</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Right, 3 mph!

All Im saying here is that the cartek cars were brought back into the realm of the normal HC cars. 122-124. Fast? YES! Outrageously fast like the overinflated 127s? Nope!

Not a flame AT ALL <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" /> Just pointing out some facts, thats all <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />


Chew on this:

What would Jasons car run in NJ? 9Ball? Joe K? All those cars that dont have the access to a fine track like the Cartek Men do, what would they run?

<small>[ February 11, 2003, 08:37 PM: Message edited by: Fly By ]</small>

DavidBusch

Mark and Brent aren't home yet and I will ask them to post they're slips. I don't understand, Mark went as high as 126.5 MPH with 447 RWHP in high humidity and 60 degree weather and as high as 127.44 in much better air. Brent's best ET to date is 10.86 at 126.83 and ran 10.99. What does the average C5 MPH and ET with what RWHP not an FBody there is a difference. How many Fbody H&C cars have run 10's in the country? Now how many H&C C5's are there in the country? I know there is only 2 C5's. There is a big difference. We came we raced we had fun.
Dave

Max@Cartek

You guys need to chill. We came. We raced. We had fun. End of story. For this pissing contest to go on is rediculous. I think our ET claims where backed up. Remember these are corvettes and not F-bodies. They don't run the same in drag racing. Heads and cam on F-body is different than heads and cam on a vette. Comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges. Dave went 10's in a f-bod that weighed 3600 pounds with only 407 rwhp 2 years ago. So it takes more(hp) to get a vette to ET well, that's all.
The DA for the day was something like 650 to 700. That's not great and it's not horribly bad. But definitely not ideal for record breaking runs on a Naturally aspirated car.
That track hooks like nothing we could have even dreamed about up here in Jersey. They where bogging almost every run. Bogging out of the whole hurts MPH. Less than great DA hurts MPH. They ran up to 126 mph once they started to figure out the track. So it was done. They ran 10.99, a 10 second pass was done. What more could you ask for.

Let me ask you a question. On any given night that you make.... lets say 5 runs.... do you run the same et and mph on all those runs, and are they all your best runs ever?

Of course not, especially not on a stick shift car. You don't hook the same every run, you don't release the clutch the same way out of the whole every time, and you don't always hit the same shift point(very critical for mph).

These cars make a lot of power. And with 4.10 gears, that doesn't make it easy to drive down the quarter. The rpms do come up very quick.

The 1.45 short time came later on as they learned the track. That track up here would be killer. I think the track prep down there pretty much evens out for our good air up here.

So your argument is that the cars kicked butt, but you expected more. That's fine. It's your opinion. The cars ran the way they where suposed to, given the environment. If your not happy with it then that's fine too. No need to argue about it. I've given my reasons why i think they did well. Food for thought.

I can't wait to make it down to Florida again. I had a great time, some real cool people down there. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

SOCIAL ENGINEER

You got that right. We had our fun, represented for the shop ... Ran the times, went back home. After 2500 round trip miles, *we* have no intention of fighting, just wanna relax <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> .

Shout out to Kevin, Julio, Max, Dave, Roy and Rich !

My 60 foot was a 1.54 that day, too bad I missed 4th. Also running the same package as C5_Pig, BrentEB02 and Billy .. who took the top 3 spots in their class. Way to go CARTEK!!!!!!!! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

Street Racer

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Glad to hear you guys made it back up ok. That is a Journey after a hard long weekend. We will be looking forward to see you guys down here again <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" /> Hopefully next time it wont be so damn muggy out <img border="0" alt="[judgement]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_judge.gif" /> the air really sucked until around 1 o'clock and then it was almost to late due to the rain I think that is when most of the cars started running a bit better . Congrats again on laying some smack down <img border="0" alt="[driving]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_driving3.gif" />