heads up....10% Bogart drag rim price INCREASE.
04-09-2003, 11:51 AM
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heads up....10% Bogart drag rim price INCREASE. Anyone whom is considering Bogart drag rims should consider making their purchase BEFORE May 1st. Accross the board, there will be a 10% price increase on ALL bogarts rims.
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04-16-2003, 11:22 AM
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Re: heads up....10% Bogart drag rim price INCREASE. Too bad they can't lower their prices to be more competitive with Weld, CL, etc. I'm just frustrated that we can't get a drag rim that fits properly for a decent price.
04-16-2003, 01:25 PM
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Re: heads up....10% Bogart drag rim price INCREASE. Hoss,
I could agree with you if they were comparable rims. Your talking apples to oranges when comparing Bogart rims to welds or centerline.
The centerlines are the heaviest out there between weld and Bogarts not to mention the worst backspacing available for stock setups. Weld rims would be second lightest to the Bogarts.
Both Centerline and Weld rims appearance is not near the quality as the Bogarts. These are show quality rims. Even for my own car, I am set up for drag use, but I like to be set apart from the others while keeping the car have a show-appearance to it. Our rims really are the best in my opinion...
The Bogart line is the largest line out there for our cars. There is a multitude of choices to choose from which makes it nice to pick and choose your style.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not putting down the other rims, but they definitily aren't in the same category when it comes to comparisons. If you don't mind grinding some, using spacers or just want a rim that works, then the weld or centerlines may be for you. The old addy comes to mind, you get what you pay for.
All in all, the few hundred dollars savings to me isn't worth it when you need to purchase additional spacers or have to grind calipers alot to make them fit...
I'm not trying to create a debate, just pointing out the fact there are many differences in our rims when making comparisons. Each person has to decide for themselves whether spending a few hundred more is worth it to them.
Steve
I could agree with you if they were comparable rims. Your talking apples to oranges when comparing Bogart rims to welds or centerline.
The centerlines are the heaviest out there between weld and Bogarts not to mention the worst backspacing available for stock setups. Weld rims would be second lightest to the Bogarts.
Both Centerline and Weld rims appearance is not near the quality as the Bogarts. These are show quality rims. Even for my own car, I am set up for drag use, but I like to be set apart from the others while keeping the car have a show-appearance to it. Our rims really are the best in my opinion...
The Bogart line is the largest line out there for our cars. There is a multitude of choices to choose from which makes it nice to pick and choose your style.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not putting down the other rims, but they definitily aren't in the same category when it comes to comparisons. If you don't mind grinding some, using spacers or just want a rim that works, then the weld or centerlines may be for you. The old addy comes to mind, you get what you pay for.
All in all, the few hundred dollars savings to me isn't worth it when you need to purchase additional spacers or have to grind calipers alot to make them fit...
I'm not trying to create a debate, just pointing out the fact there are many differences in our rims when making comparisons. Each person has to decide for themselves whether spending a few hundred more is worth it to them.
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04-16-2003, 02:18 PM
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Re: heads up....10% Bogart drag rim price INCREASE. Steve,
I don't need the best of everything or need a show quality drag rim. I would like a drag rim that fits and is considerbly lighter than 17x9's and 16x8's. Maybe bogart should reevaluate the F-car market if they are going to market toward the F-car. Maybe they could reduce their quality, and make there rims a little heavier to reduce cost. I wish Weld or CL could make one that fits. A 15x8,9,10 with proper back spacing.
I don't need the best of everything or need a show quality drag rim. I would like a drag rim that fits and is considerbly lighter than 17x9's and 16x8's. Maybe bogart should reevaluate the F-car market if they are going to market toward the F-car. Maybe they could reduce their quality, and make there rims a little heavier to reduce cost. I wish Weld or CL could make one that fits. A 15x8,9,10 with proper back spacing.
04-16-2003, 02:53 PM
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Re: heads up....10% Bogart drag rim price INCREASE. Weld = stamped and welded. Very inexpensive.
Bogart = forged, CNC machined, welded. Much higher quality.
I seriously doubt they will drop their quality, that is what some people would prefer to pay extra for. Bogart sells wheels to just about anything that runs down a dragstrip, not just f-bodies. Asking them to make a cheaper quality wheel would be like asking Fikse to cast their wheels instead of forging them.
Tony
Bogart = forged, CNC machined, welded. Much higher quality.
I seriously doubt they will drop their quality, that is what some people would prefer to pay extra for. Bogart sells wheels to just about anything that runs down a dragstrip, not just f-bodies. Asking them to make a cheaper quality wheel would be like asking Fikse to cast their wheels instead of forging them.
Tony
04-16-2003, 03:07 PM
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Re: heads up....10% Bogart drag rim price INCREASE. Hoss,
It appears that the Bogart line is out of your market. They are not for everyone. I'm not going to try to push onto you something you don't want. I will point out a few more things to consider for the rest of the folks reading this post.
We have been known to be the lightest and produce high quality components for many years. It is a niche that we have carved. I initiated the F-body market mid last year, it is a refreshing alternative when comparison to design and manufacturing processes of other companies.
Bogart rims have always been one of the most expensive on the market but quality is second to none. Most racers expect that quality does come at a price.
Here's a scenario, prostars and convo-pro's are about 300.00 more then the P1 series rims. If you take into consideration of the prep work that goes into making the welds fit, including having to purchase longer studs and grinding allot, and time is worth something. Taking this in consideration, the bogarts look more and more like a heck of a deal for what you get. Centerlines backspacing really aren’t appropriate for our stock length axles.
My feeling is do it once and be satisfied in your choice. I can tell you from experience, most people are very pleasantly surprised as the quality and looks are unbelievable, I will quote from others "pictures don't do them justice". I have customers whom were weld users until they saw these rims.
Another consideration, for the guys whom are changing to drag rims, one main reason is weight. I'm not sure offhand what a stock wheel weighs but lest say its 20 lbs. Rotational weight should not be overlooked as its a very important factor in consideration for gains. A common centerline drag rim (rear convo pro, directly from centerline) weighs approx 16 lbs. Most rear P1 Bogart’s weighs approx 10 lbs. That’s a huge difference in rotational weight...is it worth the few dollars more...I say yes. I look at it as why spend over 600+ for a set of rims that don't have the correct backspacing nor have that great of weight savings...this is my opinion though. Welds rears weight about 14 lbs, much better, but its a standard stock shelved rim with appearance not being too much of a consideration. Many guys can attest to disliking their center hub section and separate halves that have much to be desired.
You stated that you want a rim that is considerably lighter then your rims, the Bogart rims would be the only ones that meet your criteria. We are not willing to reduce the quality of the rims. We have currently 12 different direct fit styles to meet the needs of many people. We obviously can't satisfy everyone out there. I don't believe there is any other drag rim manufacture that can boast the weight gains, style difference and quality.
I wish you the best, hopefully you come to a satisfactory conclusion and you’re pleased with your future purchase.
Steve
It appears that the Bogart line is out of your market. They are not for everyone. I'm not going to try to push onto you something you don't want. I will point out a few more things to consider for the rest of the folks reading this post.
We have been known to be the lightest and produce high quality components for many years. It is a niche that we have carved. I initiated the F-body market mid last year, it is a refreshing alternative when comparison to design and manufacturing processes of other companies.
Bogart rims have always been one of the most expensive on the market but quality is second to none. Most racers expect that quality does come at a price.
Here's a scenario, prostars and convo-pro's are about 300.00 more then the P1 series rims. If you take into consideration of the prep work that goes into making the welds fit, including having to purchase longer studs and grinding allot, and time is worth something. Taking this in consideration, the bogarts look more and more like a heck of a deal for what you get. Centerlines backspacing really aren’t appropriate for our stock length axles.
My feeling is do it once and be satisfied in your choice. I can tell you from experience, most people are very pleasantly surprised as the quality and looks are unbelievable, I will quote from others "pictures don't do them justice". I have customers whom were weld users until they saw these rims.
Another consideration, for the guys whom are changing to drag rims, one main reason is weight. I'm not sure offhand what a stock wheel weighs but lest say its 20 lbs. Rotational weight should not be overlooked as its a very important factor in consideration for gains. A common centerline drag rim (rear convo pro, directly from centerline) weighs approx 16 lbs. Most rear P1 Bogart’s weighs approx 10 lbs. That’s a huge difference in rotational weight...is it worth the few dollars more...I say yes. I look at it as why spend over 600+ for a set of rims that don't have the correct backspacing nor have that great of weight savings...this is my opinion though. Welds rears weight about 14 lbs, much better, but its a standard stock shelved rim with appearance not being too much of a consideration. Many guys can attest to disliking their center hub section and separate halves that have much to be desired.
You stated that you want a rim that is considerably lighter then your rims, the Bogart rims would be the only ones that meet your criteria. We are not willing to reduce the quality of the rims. We have currently 12 different direct fit styles to meet the needs of many people. We obviously can't satisfy everyone out there. I don't believe there is any other drag rim manufacture that can boast the weight gains, style difference and quality.
I wish you the best, hopefully you come to a satisfactory conclusion and you’re pleased with your future purchase.
Steve
04-16-2003, 03:32 PM
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Re: heads up....10% Bogart drag rim price INCREASE. What Bogart rim will hold up on the street, without bending? With them being so much lighter, would bending be a problem?
BTW, Nothing at all to grind on my Centerlines, but it sucks that I cant go with a 10" rim, because their selection of BS sucks. I'd rather not have to pay double per a rim, but apparently there is no choice, as I am not going to compromise my sefety by grinding off the calipers.
How about having a 10% sale off the current prices? That might sway a few people. I have to agree, a good looking rim. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
BTW, Nothing at all to grind on my Centerlines, but it sucks that I cant go with a 10" rim, because their selection of BS sucks. I'd rather not have to pay double per a rim, but apparently there is no choice, as I am not going to compromise my sefety by grinding off the calipers.
How about having a 10% sale off the current prices? That might sway a few people. I have to agree, a good looking rim. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
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04-16-2003, 04:57 PM
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Re: heads up....10% Bogart drag rim price INCREASE. Black Sunshine,
P1 rims are very strong. There should be no difference in issues with running them on the street as you would use a weld or centerline rim.
If this is any consilation to you, to date, EVERY F-body sale that has been issued, not one to my knowlege has bent a rim from street use. This is not to prequalify that these will never bend as you can bend them just as you can using the other weld or centerline product. They are not DOT legal thus cannot be sold as a street rim. There are NO markings on the exterior inner and outer surfaces of the rim so to not take away from the rims appearance unlike other manufactures stamps.
Regarding the backspacing, even our 8.25's are set at around 6.25 of B/S. This is much more then the centerlines as they are 5.5 on a 15x8 which really isn't enough for our cars.
P2 rims are a different story and are stictly a drag rim only. There are other considerations that I won't go into with this thread.
The prices are WELL reduced below the suggested price at this time. Let me tell you at the suggested retail, they are still worth every penny for it.
I have personally kept it at an introductory pricing thus far since I wanted to get the product out to the f-body world. I have attempted to keep the pricing at an everyday low cost to the consumer rather then running sales every other week as with other products. I suppose the only problem with this is that people can be accustomed to purchasing the rims for less and then they want it even lower...lol Maybe we need to rethink the sale prices and sell them everyday for closer to what the suggested price is set at. Only problem is that you are getting a better deal with the pricing we have them set at with it being an introductory price.
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<small>[ April 16, 2003, 04:59 PM: Message edited by: steve10 ]</small>
P1 rims are very strong. There should be no difference in issues with running them on the street as you would use a weld or centerline rim.
If this is any consilation to you, to date, EVERY F-body sale that has been issued, not one to my knowlege has bent a rim from street use. This is not to prequalify that these will never bend as you can bend them just as you can using the other weld or centerline product. They are not DOT legal thus cannot be sold as a street rim. There are NO markings on the exterior inner and outer surfaces of the rim so to not take away from the rims appearance unlike other manufactures stamps.
Regarding the backspacing, even our 8.25's are set at around 6.25 of B/S. This is much more then the centerlines as they are 5.5 on a 15x8 which really isn't enough for our cars.
P2 rims are a different story and are stictly a drag rim only. There are other considerations that I won't go into with this thread.
The prices are WELL reduced below the suggested price at this time. Let me tell you at the suggested retail, they are still worth every penny for it.
I have personally kept it at an introductory pricing thus far since I wanted to get the product out to the f-body world. I have attempted to keep the pricing at an everyday low cost to the consumer rather then running sales every other week as with other products. I suppose the only problem with this is that people can be accustomed to purchasing the rims for less and then they want it even lower...lol Maybe we need to rethink the sale prices and sell them everyday for closer to what the suggested price is set at. Only problem is that you are getting a better deal with the pricing we have them set at with it being an introductory price.
:-)
<small>[ April 16, 2003, 04:59 PM: Message edited by: steve10 ]</small>
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Re: heads up....10% Bogart drag rim price INCREASE. </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Black Sunshine/ 00SS:
<strong> What Bogart rim will hold up on the street, without bending? With them being so much lighter, would bending be a problem?
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I've been daily driving my Fluted Drag Stars since I got tires mounted & balanced in October. Absolutely no problems here, other than having to run small spacers up front (fresh pads and rotors). <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
And the look on my friend's face when he picked up my Bogart / 28" ET Drag tire was priceless. "Dude, these things are way light!" - as he runs off with my wheel to show some other friends. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
I dig my Bogeys. Picture is in the profile. (I bought 2 pairs for rears - one pair for street tires - running 295/50-15's, and one pair for ET Drags - 28 x 10.5 - and running 165R15's up front).
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<strong> What Bogart rim will hold up on the street, without bending? With them being so much lighter, would bending be a problem?
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I've been daily driving my Fluted Drag Stars since I got tires mounted & balanced in October. Absolutely no problems here, other than having to run small spacers up front (fresh pads and rotors). <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
And the look on my friend's face when he picked up my Bogart / 28" ET Drag tire was priceless. "Dude, these things are way light!" - as he runs off with my wheel to show some other friends. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
I dig my Bogeys. Picture is in the profile. (I bought 2 pairs for rears - one pair for street tires - running 295/50-15's, and one pair for ET Drags - 28 x 10.5 - and running 165R15's up front).
-Andrew
04-17-2003, 12:20 AM
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Re: heads up....10% Bogart drag rim price INCREASE. </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by vette:
<strong> Are you a sponsor on this board????? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes I am.
Not sure why you would ask this as one of the owners posted in this thread. :-)
Camaroholic,
Your the only person to date that has used spacers...I think you do have aftermarket rotors if i'm not mistaken. The calipers are floating. Possibly your rotors are thicker and/or pads, this may have thrown your geometry off a bit. I can't imagine it touching much at all, you may want to consider grinding just a tad on the caliper in the spot it hits. I know the combo with brand new real thick (especially aftermarket) can add to any obstructions. There are a few guys whom had to touch up a caliper or two with a hand file in some flashing areas on the calipers because of newer pads.
Steve
<small>[ April 17, 2003, 12:24 AM: Message edited by: steve10 ]</small>
<strong> Are you a sponsor on this board????? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yes I am.
Not sure why you would ask this as one of the owners posted in this thread. :-)
Camaroholic,
Your the only person to date that has used spacers...I think you do have aftermarket rotors if i'm not mistaken. The calipers are floating. Possibly your rotors are thicker and/or pads, this may have thrown your geometry off a bit. I can't imagine it touching much at all, you may want to consider grinding just a tad on the caliper in the spot it hits. I know the combo with brand new real thick (especially aftermarket) can add to any obstructions. There are a few guys whom had to touch up a caliper or two with a hand file in some flashing areas on the calipers because of newer pads.
Steve
<small>[ April 17, 2003, 12:24 AM: Message edited by: steve10 ]</small>
04-17-2003, 06:57 AM
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Re: heads up....10% Bogart drag rim price INCREASE. Alright I'll Shutup. I still wish there was a cheaper alternative.
Steve,
Can you send/post prices including shipping to 48042. for the P1's (All 15" sizes)that will fit Ls1's. Front Skinnies and Rear's. I'd like to do an apples to oranges comparison to see how my wallet is impacted.
Steve,
Can you send/post prices including shipping to 48042. for the P1's (All 15" sizes)that will fit Ls1's. Front Skinnies and Rear's. I'd like to do an apples to oranges comparison to see how my wallet is impacted.
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Re: heads up....10% Bogart drag rim price INCREASE. I just got my bogarts last week. 15" fit perfect. They look awsome! I wouldn't use anything else. and it's nice to pull up to a light and not have the guy next to you with the same wheels! I haven't seen these on any cars around by me. I bet that will change.
04-21-2003, 07:53 AM
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Re: heads up....10% Bogart drag rim price INCREASE. Steve I have heard that there is a Billet Center cap available. Is this true? I have the a set and absolutly love them. I would like a nicer center cap though.
Thanks Rob
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04-21-2003, 03:40 PM
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Re: heads up....10% Bogart drag rim price INCREASE. Smokin,
Email me with your shipping information and other pertainent info. I cannot post the price we are selling them at.
Driveatransam
Regarding the price differences its about 300.00 more then a convo pro set. Convo's are the heaviest drag rim out there at almost twice the weight of a set of similar Bogarts. There is nothing wrong with your choice though, it's really a personal preference and you should be happy with what you do. :-)
Steve
Email me with your shipping information and other pertainent info. I cannot post the price we are selling them at.
Driveatransam
Regarding the price differences its about 300.00 more then a convo pro set. Convo's are the heaviest drag rim out there at almost twice the weight of a set of similar Bogarts. There is nothing wrong with your choice though, it's really a personal preference and you should be happy with what you do. :-)
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04-21-2003, 07:57 PM
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Re: heads up....10% Bogart drag rim price INCREASE. LASTLS1: I've seen your car out (McDonalds of course) and dig the Bogarts, AlumaLights? You're only the 2nd person I've seen with them. My friend has a set of HIS Black WS6 as well (DOH!). It just hasn't been out yet, but luckily he has the P1 Series 'SS' wheels so they're not IDENTICAL....
I'm sure you'll see it out at McDonalds this summer.
I would definetly have to agree with everything that has to be said about the Bogeys. Sure, they're more pricey then the Welds and Centerlines, but not only do they LOOK better, but they're lighter and seem to be of much better quality. Not to mention the fact that you don't have to grind your calipers to nothing and/or run a spacer to make 'em fit.
<small>[ April 21, 2003, 08:00 PM: Message edited by: Holes02 ]</small>
I'm sure you'll see it out at McDonalds this summer.
I would definetly have to agree with everything that has to be said about the Bogeys. Sure, they're more pricey then the Welds and Centerlines, but not only do they LOOK better, but they're lighter and seem to be of much better quality. Not to mention the fact that you don't have to grind your calipers to nothing and/or run a spacer to make 'em fit.
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Re: heads up....10% Bogart drag rim price INCREASE. i almost bought some bogarts, and had the creditcad out....then i came to my senses. i cant justify double the price just so it looks a little nicer and fits a little better. i got convopros instead, and i dont think they look all that bad. but since i have slicks on, i will ONLY be using them at the track, so i could care less what they look like. if i had the cash to spare i would get bogarts though.
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Re: heads up....10% Bogart drag rim price INCREASE. Steve,
Does Bogart have plans to get any of their wheels certified as street legal? I would buy a set in a heartbeat if I could get a street legal version. And screw the cost; I would pay extra for a street certified wheel. I need a drag wheel that can safely (and legally) get me to and from the track.
Does Bogart have plans to get any of their wheels certified as street legal? I would buy a set in a heartbeat if I could get a street legal version. And screw the cost; I would pay extra for a street certified wheel. I need a drag wheel that can safely (and legally) get me to and from the track.