SFI 25.2 Mustang/LSx build "The Renegade"
04-25-2009, 02:22 PM
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Hey Phil, who did you get your building through? Was it someone local? Reason I ask is, I need a new roof on my shop, and just doing some shopping around comparing prices and such. So, if you got a name or something.....
04-27-2009, 12:52 PM
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jesel... i hate 'em....dont seem to work right without machine work and dont last long under a high stressed motor and they take custom pieces to make work...
04-27-2009, 07:35 PM
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04-27-2009, 09:03 PM
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04-28-2009, 11:11 AM
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Well, it is safe to assume the 2 most well known and respected rocker manufacturer's out there are Jesel and T&D (for the hardcore guys) For my setup I went with shaft T&D's for teh simple fact that they were over $800 cheaper than teh Jesel's. I paid $1200 for my T&D's, and Jesel wanted a tick over $2000. If they would have been the same price, I guess it might have been a coin toss. I will say, however, that over teh last couple months of hangin on this site, it seems I have seen quite a few people have to do some type of machine work to the Jesel's to get them right.
Knowing that, I am glad I bought the T&D's.
However, it could also be that Jesel out sells T&D 2 to 1, and they have more rockers out there, and hence more likely to see problems.
Maybe not?
Either way, Jesel makes a nice product, or the big guys would not use them. Does make you wonder though.
And one mroe thing...by asking so much money for their shaft rockers for my setup, they completely priced themselves out of the game.
Knowing that, I am glad I bought the T&D's.
However, it could also be that Jesel out sells T&D 2 to 1, and they have more rockers out there, and hence more likely to see problems.
Maybe not?Either way, Jesel makes a nice product, or the big guys would not use them. Does make you wonder though.
And one mroe thing...by asking so much money for their shaft rockers for my setup, they completely priced themselves out of the game. 
04-28-2009, 12:05 PM
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Well, it is safe to assume the 2 most well known and respected rocker manufacturer's out there are Jesel and T&D (for the hardcore guys) For my setup I went with shaft T&D's for teh simple fact that they were over $800 cheaper than teh Jesel's. I paid $1200 for my T&D's, and Jesel wanted a tick over $2000. If they would have been the same price, I guess it might have been a coin toss. I will say, however, that over teh last couple months of hangin on this site, it seems I have seen quite a few people have to do some type of machine work to the Jesel's to get them right.
Knowing that, I am glad I bought the T&D's.
However, it could also be that Jesel out sells T&D 2 to 1, and they have more rockers out there, and hence more likely to see problems. Maybe not?
Either way, Jesel makes a nice product, or the big guys would not use them. Does make you wonder though. And one mroe thing...by asking so much money for their shaft rockers for my setup, they completely priced themselves out of the game.
Knowing that, I am glad I bought the T&D's.
However, it could also be that Jesel out sells T&D 2 to 1, and they have more rockers out there, and hence more likely to see problems.
Maybe not?Either way, Jesel makes a nice product, or the big guys would not use them. Does make you wonder though.
And one mroe thing...by asking so much money for their shaft rockers for my setup, they completely priced themselves out of the game.
04-28-2009, 12:20 PM
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if anybody thinks you can just bolt parts together on an engine of this caliber,they are sadly mistaken.There isn't on part on Phil's motor that i havent modified or massaged.I got well over 150 hrs of labor in this engine to get it where it is-the jesel setup is no different than any other part.
The Jesel rockers are way better than the T&D stuff-now,most engine don't require the Jesel rockers,so there is no sense in paying the extra money,but there really is no comparison in the 2-its like comparing an 853 head to an ETP canted valve head-both do the same job-just totally differently.
The reason there is so much problems with the Jesel's on ls stuff is due to the design of the engine,the rocker area in the head is really narrow,when you straighten the valve up to 11deg like the ETP stuff you engine up with a real short rocker arm,add 1.650 valvespring,there is barely enough room for the fulcrum,let alone room for the material to handle 1000psi of spring pressure.
So basically people really need to consider alot of the design factors when condeming something-it's easy to criticize,but hard to design something better
The Jesel rockers are way better than the T&D stuff-now,most engine don't require the Jesel rockers,so there is no sense in paying the extra money,but there really is no comparison in the 2-its like comparing an 853 head to an ETP canted valve head-both do the same job-just totally differently.
The reason there is so much problems with the Jesel's on ls stuff is due to the design of the engine,the rocker area in the head is really narrow,when you straighten the valve up to 11deg like the ETP stuff you engine up with a real short rocker arm,add 1.650 valvespring,there is barely enough room for the fulcrum,let alone room for the material to handle 1000psi of spring pressure.
So basically people really need to consider alot of the design factors when condeming something-it's easy to criticize,but hard to design something better
04-28-2009, 12:23 PM
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in our high seat pressure motors we can never make them live.... they break... we have better luck with crane... i have them in one of my motors now but its because it was a package deal...
if we have other options we try and use something else...
now in a chief motor your limited and its understandable to use the jesel but other than that we stay away from them...
its just our preference... i should of probably kept it out of your thread... sorry
if we have other options we try and use something else...
now in a chief motor your limited and its understandable to use the jesel but other than that we stay away from them...
its just our preference... i should of probably kept it out of your thread... sorry
04-28-2009, 12:29 PM
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oh... i am in know way condemning you for using the jesels... im glad you can make them work.... we just have bad luck with them even after extensive machine work.
You can't see any of the unobtainium parts in the pics. 
04-29-2009, 08:15 AM
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04-29-2009, 03:38 PM
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I know Phil, and I was not actually using your rockers as an example. There are a few other members I was refering to, one of which I have become good "friends" with on the site, who has shared a HUGE amount of info with me about his build (we built essentially the same setup: cubes, heads, lots of compression, solid roller, carb, etc..., but his was done before mine). We were going to try and do a "group" purchase with T&D, but he ended up going Jesel, and had problems with them. It was him (and a couple other's) I was referring to.
And don't get me wrong, I know Jesel makes a great product, and like I said, they just simply outpriced themselves or I would have bought Jesel.