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02-22-2008, 07:08 PM
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can it happen? alrite guys im startin on my 2000 ta drag project and im starting to get a little sceptical if i made the right motor choice. im lookin to get in the 9s this is my setup
-built 383 sbc(not ls or lt) forged scat crank, forged h beam rods,ross pistons,12.4:1 c/r, not sure on heads yet
-sprayin if i have to
-full bmr front and rear suspension tubular k member, upper and lower control arms, race craft 2" drop spindles, strange front brakes manual brake conversion, manual rack,coilovers
-9" rear, spool, 3.73 gear, adjustable torque arm,adjustable lower control arms,double adjustable strange shocks
-th400 manual valve body with brake,, not sure about stall yet but prob about a 4000
-full cage, mini tub, most of interior staying in dash door panels carpet, kirkey race seats
-lightened from all stuff coming off
my question is can i be in the 9s with this setup i kno everything will be able to do it im just worried about my engine choice.
-built 383 sbc(not ls or lt) forged scat crank, forged h beam rods,ross pistons,12.4:1 c/r, not sure on heads yet
-sprayin if i have to
-full bmr front and rear suspension tubular k member, upper and lower control arms, race craft 2" drop spindles, strange front brakes manual brake conversion, manual rack,coilovers
-9" rear, spool, 3.73 gear, adjustable torque arm,adjustable lower control arms,double adjustable strange shocks
-th400 manual valve body with brake,, not sure about stall yet but prob about a 4000
-full cage, mini tub, most of interior staying in dash door panels carpet, kirkey race seats
-lightened from all stuff coming off
my question is can i be in the 9s with this setup i kno everything will be able to do it im just worried about my engine choice.
02-22-2008, 09:53 PM
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my buddys gettin my ls1 and were puttin that in his 83 camaro and buildin it to a 427 so i wanna do a carbed setup ive always been a carb fan.i went to the local speed shop legend racing and asked them about the heads and they suggested the dart iron eagles but thats heavy as hell compared to aluminum.
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02-23-2008, 10:58 AM
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Look into the Dart 230cc Pro-1 Platinum heads, they should be able to take you where you want to go and are reasonably priced.
As for cam and converter reccomendations, Call the manufacturer of your choice and tell them what you want to do with the car, and they will get you the best product. Remember, they are the experts!
Same goes for carbs, I'd reccomend calling up Patrick at pro-systems and get his advice and one of his carbs. He can tailor it to YOUR specific application to get the most out of your combo.
Its all about getting on the phone and talking to the people who are the real experts. We're all just a buncha Ham n Eggers on here!
As for cam and converter reccomendations, Call the manufacturer of your choice and tell them what you want to do with the car, and they will get you the best product. Remember, they are the experts!
Same goes for carbs, I'd reccomend calling up Patrick at pro-systems and get his advice and one of his carbs. He can tailor it to YOUR specific application to get the most out of your combo.
Its all about getting on the phone and talking to the people who are the real experts. We're all just a buncha Ham n Eggers on here!
02-23-2008, 11:20 AM
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02-23-2008, 11:40 AM
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"dart iron eagles"
You can do better and you know that.
To run 9.xx on motor you need more converter, and you will need at least 4.10's.
I'm going 10.doh on a 150 shot so I think I would need 550 hp or motor NA to run 9's NA.
You can do better and you know that.
To run 9.xx on motor you need more converter, and you will need at least 4.10's.
I'm going 10.doh on a 150 shot so I think I would need 550 hp or motor NA to run 9's NA.
02-23-2008, 05:44 PM
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I agree, the 227cc CNC heads are nice. If it were me, I'd purchase them bare then let your engine builder assemble them with better components. Usually the factory assembled heads are done so using cheap, knock off parts.
On a side note, don't discount the Iron Eagle Platinum heads, granted they are heavy Iron, but the ports on them are a good design. The only difference between Pro-1 Platinum heads and Iron Eagle Platinum heads is the casting material.
On a side note, don't discount the Iron Eagle Platinum heads, granted they are heavy Iron, but the ports on them are a good design. The only difference between Pro-1 Platinum heads and Iron Eagle Platinum heads is the casting material.
02-23-2008, 05:53 PM
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You pretty much have to decide whether you want 9.xx on HP or with nitrous. Different between a 9.9 motor car and a 10.5 motor car can be pretty big.
How about a carbed LS2 or stroker, that would be badazz.
How about a carbed LS2 or stroker, that would be badazz.
02-23-2008, 06:42 PM
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i already got my motor which i just finished workin on for the day too cold out. ill let my buddy have fun with the ls1. but with the gears with a 4:10 arent i gonna crap out near the end of the track or am i gonna get better times with a 4:10 over a 3:73
02-23-2008, 09:15 PM
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Thats another one of those things that you'll need to discuss with your cam manufacturer. Look at some of the major cam manufacturer's web pages, they should have a form which lists all the info they need to help you choose the appropriate camshaft, that will give you an idea of how much you really need to think about the "big picture"
My experience is that you would be fine with 28" tires and 4.10 gears with what you are looking to do.
My experience is that you would be fine with 28" tires and 4.10 gears with what you are looking to do.
02-23-2008, 09:45 PM
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I agree with PSJ above. "On HP or bottle" is the decision to make first. Even if you weigh 3100 lbs total you would need more than 600 rwhp to hit the nines NA. It would be pretty tough getting there with off the shelf 23 degree heads. At this weight or more a 15 or 18 degree head can do it. Then theres the expense of these heads with custom length push rods, Shaft mounted rockers etc.
To me that pushes you into the bottle world, which can easily get you there with any of the conventional heads mentioned above. That makes the gear selection easier too, ie 3:73 or even lower with the square power curve you get from nitrous.
To me that pushes you into the bottle world, which can easily get you there with any of the conventional heads mentioned above. That makes the gear selection easier too, ie 3:73 or even lower with the square power curve you get from nitrous.
02-23-2008, 09:48 PM
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If that shop told you to go with Iron eagles I would not let them build your motor. Using Iron just adds to much weight and I don't know any fast car in my area with Iron heads, only know of one but it runs 11's on the motor.
I would also stay away from SCAT stuff, just mow .02.
Agree on buying the heads bare.
I would also stay away from SCAT stuff, just mow .02.
Agree on buying the heads bare.
02-24-2008, 10:02 AM
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You should switch shops and talk to Tony @ AES for SBC/BBC stuff, he knows his stuff. I'm thinking mid 10's on HP should be pretty easy, and then hit it with 100-150. I'm spraying 150 and going 10.0 on a 10.9 car, and I am a 348ci LS1 and 11:1.
