4th Gen BBC Project
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Cutting off the stock stuff sure makes things easier, I can move my rack forward and have all the room under my pan, plus a full length pan isn't as deep so you gain ground clearance and still have a lot of oil capacity.
Staging Lane
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From: Tia Juana
Now if you would have done this to your Nova, that would be bad to the bone since that is a unique and more collectable car that warrants a second look. But Camaros are a dime a dozen here near the 'Juana, so I have no clue why you would not stick with all the proven stock-style chassis stuff and build a bad ride that way instead of pumping time and money into all this crazy, one-off stuff.
Look at Madman, now that is a bad ride. Stock-based set-up, fast as can be.
Staging Lane
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From: Tia Juana
Don't get me wrong, you did nice work here and everything is executed in a professional manner. However, did you ever justify the added weight and complexity of running a BBC when an LSX could have produced the same results?
It may be totally justfied and I am sure it is a fun ride, but I was just wondering what your thoughts were for going old school on the engine as opposed to going the more modern route?
How many Camaro's run a full tube frame with 17" tread slicks and twin turbo big block? I doubt it's a dime a dozen. A lot of people run great on stock suspension stuff but everyone has a vision of their race project and mine isn't a bolt on car.
Yes people run great with the LSX, but there is no substitution for cubic inches, a BBC may weigh more than an LSX, but whatever the weight difference is can be easily made up with more power.
The top of the line full race LSX might make 1000 hp on motor, big inch BBC's are close to 2000 HP N/A now, there is no comparison, without boost the LSX will never have the power potential of a big inch big block
Yes people run great with the LSX, but there is no substitution for cubic inches, a BBC may weigh more than an LSX, but whatever the weight difference is can be easily made up with more power.
The top of the line full race LSX might make 1000 hp on motor, big inch BBC's are close to 2000 HP N/A now, there is no comparison, without boost the LSX will never have the power potential of a big inch big block
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Verdad Gallardo 2008 SONNY'S DESIGN EXTREME PRO STOCK 860 CU. IN. 5.300" BORE SPACING 2030 HP " GM SEMI-HEMISPHERICAL HEADED ENGINE"
5.080 BORE X 5.300 STROKE
NATURALLY ASPIRATED (NO NITROUS)
2030 HP @ 8100
1380 LBS. TORQUE @ 6500
2030 HP no power adders, no small block N/A is ******* with that
You keep the 200 pound weight savings, I'll take the extra 1,000 hp
5.080 BORE X 5.300 STROKE
NATURALLY ASPIRATED (NO NITROUS)
2030 HP @ 8100
1380 LBS. TORQUE @ 6500
2030 HP no power adders, no small block N/A is ******* with that
You keep the 200 pound weight savings, I'll take the extra 1,000 hp
Staging Lane
Joined: May 2008
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From: Tia Juana
2008 SONNY'S DESIGN EXTREME PRO STOCK 860 CU. IN. 5.300" BORE SPACING 2030 HP " GM SEMI-HEMISPHERICAL HEADED ENGINE"
5.080 BORE X 5.300 STROKE
NATURALLY ASPIRATED (NO NITROUS)
2030 HP @ 8100
1380 LBS. TORQUE @ 6500
2030 HP no power adders, no small block N/A is ******* with that
You keep the 200 pound weight savings, I'll take the extra 1,000 hp
5.080 BORE X 5.300 STROKE
NATURALLY ASPIRATED (NO NITROUS)
2030 HP @ 8100
1380 LBS. TORQUE @ 6500
2030 HP no power adders, no small block N/A is ******* with that
You keep the 200 pound weight savings, I'll take the extra 1,000 hp
Great motor, no doubt. But not practical for someone who is not running a pro mod or IHRA pro stock.
I understand the ridiculous torque a BBC makes. But I also understand how it is a giant water heater. If you go race and have to hot lap the car, you will be boiling over. Been there, done that. Now put that monster on the street, not real practical.
most any car that runs in the 9's is a car that i would not consider streetable.... and just running in the 9's is not what ragen or I would like... im looking for mid 8's atleast with my BBC 4thgen and nitrous...
a 9 second car requires a cage, window net, and parachute, sfi padding, trans shield, diaper.... list goes on and its not a "street" car..
a 9 second car requires a cage, window net, and parachute, sfi padding, trans shield, diaper.... list goes on and its not a "street" car..
Nice. How much does it cost? Think that is streetable? There is no way to move enough air through the radiator to cool a beast like that in traffic.
Great motor, no doubt. But not practical for someone who is not running a pro mod or IHRA pro stock.
I understand the ridiculous torque a BBC makes. But I also understand how it is a giant water heater. If you go race and have to hot lap the car, you will be boiling over. Been there, done that. Now put that monster on the street, not real practical.
Great motor, no doubt. But not practical for someone who is not running a pro mod or IHRA pro stock.
I understand the ridiculous torque a BBC makes. But I also understand how it is a giant water heater. If you go race and have to hot lap the car, you will be boiling over. Been there, done that. Now put that monster on the street, not real practical.
I'm building something that has the potential to make 2,000 hp @ 6,500 rpm, will I ever use that much I doubt it, but I know one thing 1,500 hp on pump gas is nice, not too many LSX's with boost doing that.
I'm not knocking the LSX, I had one myself and loved it, but any motor is just an air pump and the bigger it is the more you can put in and get out. You just can't make the same power with a motor limited to a 4.250 bore compared to motors with bores that can go 4.60 and up, you can't build heads that flow what big block heads will simply because you can't build them big enough and can't run the big valves and ports a big block head can.
You make power three ways, spin a motor and ingest air, or force it in or chemically inject more into the engine. With out boost or nitrous you either have to spin it higher or make it bigger to make more power. I would rather make it bigger and keep the rpm low, it makes more torque and is easier on parts and valve train and ends up being a milder combo in the end.
I plan to run a little faster than 9's
Last edited by RAGENZ28; Jun 12, 2008 at 11:45 AM.
If everything is equal with the two setups, yes bigger is always better and BBC's will rule LSx's all day long. I think the point for some people though is the fact that you can build an LSx to be just as powerful as a BBC about 98% of the time. Of course the 2% being the all out race setups we are talking about here. Take my build for example, I have a 555" that hopefully will make between 675-725 rwhp. I think that's a realistic goal for a hot street/strip car that is also unique. For less money and complexity you can take a LSx motor and supercharge it and make about the same if not more. I know this because a friend of mine has a Procharged C6 that makes about 700-800 rwhp depending on if he's running on nitrous or not. This is on a stock longblock with a safe tune and is daily driven. There are also plenty of cases where someone builds a 4xx LSx and then throws a 200-300 shot on top of it. Can be perfectly daily driven with all the creature comforts and then when he pulls up next to you at the light just turns on the juice and you got a good race. It's all personal preference really and unless you are talking all out racing applications or doing true apples to apples like N/A versus N/A comparisons I feel the same way.
Edit: If I had an LSx car I would have probably stayed with that, but since I had a LTx car the only way to get there was with a BBC. It will also be really cool to see peoples reactions when they see and hear the car.
Edit: If I had an LSx car I would have probably stayed with that, but since I had a LTx car the only way to get there was with a BBC. It will also be really cool to see peoples reactions when they see and hear the car.
Waiting on the intake to get back from porting and I'm measuring for pushrods again this weekend to make sure I get the right length. After that the motor can be button'd up. Then it's headers and exhaust followed up by a lot of electrical work. I have to rewire the whole car including gauges and the BS3. I would say I have at least until the end of July since I only work on it during the weekend. That's also only if my parents don't have a list of stuff that needs fixing when I go out there. Last weekend I had to put my Dad's riding lawnmower back together before I started working on my car, lol.
Staging Lane
Joined: May 2008
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From: Tia Juana
2008 SONNY'S DESIGN EXTREME PRO STOCK 860 CU. IN. 5.300" BORE SPACING 2030 HP " GM SEMI-HEMISPHERICAL HEADED ENGINE"
5.080 BORE X 5.300 STROKE
NATURALLY ASPIRATED (NO NITROUS)
2030 HP @ 8100
1380 LBS. TORQUE @ 6500
2030 HP no power adders, no small block N/A is f*cking with that
You keep the 200 pound weight savings, I'll take the extra 1,000 hp
5.080 BORE X 5.300 STROKE
NATURALLY ASPIRATED (NO NITROUS)
2030 HP @ 8100
1380 LBS. TORQUE @ 6500
2030 HP no power adders, no small block N/A is f*cking with that
You keep the 200 pound weight savings, I'll take the extra 1,000 hp
For this price, I'd buy two:
2008 SONNY'S DESIGN EXTREME PRO STOCK 860 CU. IN. 5.300" BORE SPACING 2030 HP " GM SEMI-HEMISPHERICAL HEADED ENGINE"
5.080 BORE X 5.300 STROKE
NATURALLY ASPIRATED (NO NITROUS)
2030 HP @ 8100
1380 LBS. TORQUE @ 6500
BUY NOW THROUGH
JULY 1, 2008 !!!!!!!!
$86,900.00
http://www.sonnysracing.com/
Waiting on the intake to get back from porting and I'm measuring for pushrods again this weekend to make sure I get the right length. After that the motor can be button'd up. Then it's headers and exhaust followed up by a lot of electrical work. I have to rewire the whole car including gauges and the BS3. I would say I have at least until the end of July since I only work on it during the weekend. That's also only if my parents don't have a list of stuff that needs fixing when I go out there. Last weekend I had to put my Dad's riding lawnmower back together before I started working on my car, lol.
For this price, I'd buy two:
2008 SONNY'S DESIGN EXTREME PRO STOCK 860 CU. IN. 5.300" BORE SPACING 2030 HP " GM SEMI-HEMISPHERICAL HEADED ENGINE"
5.080 BORE X 5.300 STROKE
NATURALLY ASPIRATED (NO NITROUS)
2030 HP @ 8100
1380 LBS. TORQUE @ 6500
BUY NOW THROUGH
JULY 1, 2008 !!!!!!!!
$86,900.00
http://www.sonnysracing.com/
2008 SONNY'S DESIGN EXTREME PRO STOCK 860 CU. IN. 5.300" BORE SPACING 2030 HP " GM SEMI-HEMISPHERICAL HEADED ENGINE"
5.080 BORE X 5.300 STROKE
NATURALLY ASPIRATED (NO NITROUS)
2030 HP @ 8100
1380 LBS. TORQUE @ 6500
BUY NOW THROUGH
JULY 1, 2008 !!!!!!!!
$86,900.00
http://www.sonnysracing.com/