Drag Racing Tech
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

car won't hook... help

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 4, 2008 | 10:14 PM
  #1  
subhumanzz's Avatar
Thread Starter
9 Second Club
iTrader: (46)
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 1,037
Likes: 0
From: Fredericksburg, VA
Default car won't hook... help

went to the track tonight and tried several different rpms when launching. 5000= spinning like crazy, 4000= still spinning, 3500= hooks but doesnt produce a good 60'. tires are 28x11.5x16 et streets. pressure was adjusted from 11- 15 psi. suspension is spohn drag bar, spohn tunnel mount torque arm, spohn adj. lca, bmr relo. brackets (middle hole because the bottom hole made it spin even more), adj. panhard bar, bmr springs, stock shocks. front sway bar was taken off also. i dont know what else i can do. i am at the end of my rope here. i am thinking about going with a et drag and see what that does for me. i simply dont understand how some people are leaving off of the limiter with drag radials and i cant even launch at 4000 rpms on et streets. WTF. any help is appreciated.
Reply
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 12:54 PM
  #2  
BlueThunder2's Avatar
10 Second Club
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 542
Likes: 0
From: Lubbock,TX
Default

Subscribing.

Similar set-up. 1.52 60'. I think I've done everything except change out the springs and shocks.
Reply
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 01:38 PM
  #3  
subhumanzz's Avatar
Thread Starter
9 Second Club
iTrader: (46)
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 1,037
Likes: 0
From: Fredericksburg, VA
Default

somebody has to know something that i dont. i need to figure this out before sunday.
Reply
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 03:17 PM
  #4  
SidewayzOZ's Avatar
TECH Resident
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 917
Likes: 0
From: Easley, SC
Default

What 60" were you getting on each of those? How long were you doing the burnout? Also how was the track prep? (IE,. were other people having problems too?)
Reply
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 03:24 PM
  #5  
FireSilverLullaby's Avatar
12 Second Club
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,231
Likes: 0
From: Chesapeake,va and Charlotte,NC
Default

yeah track prep can make a huge difference. Im from chesapeake,va. did you go to the richmond or petersburg track?

and how much gas was in your tank?

Last edited by FireSilverLullaby; Sep 5, 2008 at 04:08 PM.
Reply
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 03:35 PM
  #6  
BMR Tech's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,073
Likes: 0
From: Tampa,Florida
Default

The ET streets are what's killing you, they have no sidewall and a stiff sidewall is what you are going to need. A MT drag radial would work much better for your application..
Reply
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 05:25 PM
  #7  
SlickVert's Avatar
10 Second Club
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 1,649
Likes: 0
From: Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Default

Auto or Stick?
What clutch or converter?
What kind of springs drag or lowering?
LCA need to run up hill as they go forward
You need a total package set-up for hook
Bob
Reply
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 08:02 PM
  #8  
subhumanzz's Avatar
Thread Starter
9 Second Club
iTrader: (46)
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 1,037
Likes: 0
From: Fredericksburg, VA
Default

60s sucked all night they ranged from a 1.7 to a 1.8. 2 gear burnout then letting off of the line lock and rolling it out. i was thinking about going with an et drag. i have a moser 9" so im not worried about breaking it. i would like to leave at 5500 + but in order to do that i need to figure out whats going on. thanks again for the help.oh yeah and i was one of the very few that were having any kind of traction issues.
Reply
LS1 Tech Stories

The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time

story-0

Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-2

Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-4

Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

 
story-5

Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

Awesome K5 Blazer Restomod Comes With C7 Corvette Power

 Verdad Gallardo
story-8

10 Camaros You Should Never Buy

 
story-9

10 LS Engine Myths That Refuse to Die

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 08:04 PM
  #9  
subhumanzz's Avatar
Thread Starter
9 Second Club
iTrader: (46)
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 1,037
Likes: 0
From: Fredericksburg, VA
Default

Originally Posted by SlickVert
Auto or Stick?
What clutch or converter?
What kind of springs drag or lowering?
LCA need to run up hill as they go forward
You need a total package set-up for hook
Bob
m6, some kind of miracle clutch, lowering springs, and yeah i know how lca's work...
Reply
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 08:08 PM
  #10  
stoverz28's Avatar
TECH Resident
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 792
Likes: 6
From: Buda, Texas
Default

A good set of shocks and springs would help keep the weight on the back tires down the track. What is your pinion angle at?
Reply
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 08:17 PM
  #11  
subhumanzz's Avatar
Thread Starter
9 Second Club
iTrader: (46)
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 1,037
Likes: 0
From: Fredericksburg, VA
Default

Originally Posted by stoverz28
A good set of shocks and springs would help keep the weight on the back tires down the track. What is your pinion angle at?
pinion angle is at - 3
Reply
Old Sep 5, 2008 | 09:14 PM
  #12  
JL ws-6's Avatar
Race your car!
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (50)
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 15,421
Likes: 18
Default

PUt a set of 28x10.5S et drags on the car part # 3055S and watch the car come to life.

A set of adjustable shocks would help you alot, but the tire, will do more.

I'd get the pinion angle back to -1, adding all that mechanical bind isn't helping any. The S et drag tire, put them at 11 psi before the burnout, and then you'll be able to sidestep it off the limiter and it's gonna leave hard. Just be ready or it, and the parts you're gonna break.
Reply
Old Sep 6, 2008 | 06:46 AM
  #13  
SlickVert's Avatar
10 Second Club
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 1,649
Likes: 0
From: Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Default

Like JL ws-6 said, but you need to get rid of the lowering springs!
I like the look of sitting low, but you can do that with a spring that will also work for at the drag track. Lowering spring are for handling. The front are to stiff and the rear are to soft.
You might want to try a set QA1 R shock and a 275 or 300lbs for spring depending on your front weight. For the rear 150 to 175lbs spring for the rear and good shock like AFCO.

Sound like you are close to the correct comp but need changes
MT 28x10.5S
4.56 gears
front shock and springs
Rear shock and springs

With the above changes you should be in the 1.5 60's or better.

Bob
Reply
Old Sep 6, 2008 | 08:07 AM
  #14  
tektrans's Avatar
9 Second Club
iTrader: (23)
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 3,377
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by SlickVert
Sound like you are close to the correct comp but need changes
MT 28x10.5S
4.56 gears
front shock and springs
Rear shock and springs

With the above changes you should be in the 1.5 60's or better.

Bob
ditto!
except for the rear springs and not because they won't help but I still have the stock rear springs on my car.
Reply
Old Sep 6, 2008 | 08:45 AM
  #15  
JL ws-6's Avatar
Race your car!
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (50)
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 15,421
Likes: 18
Default

I still have the stock springs in my car, with the isloaters removed. R serirs front shocks, and an unknown qa1 spring, softer then stock, but they're nowhere near the 275 soft.

I'd put 300 qa1 springs on to start, the 275's seem to make the front of the car bounce and bottom out really easy, to the point I wouldn't even try them unless I was at the end of the rope with nothing left.
Reply
Old Sep 6, 2008 | 09:40 AM
  #16  
subhumanzz's Avatar
Thread Starter
9 Second Club
iTrader: (46)
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 1,037
Likes: 0
From: Fredericksburg, VA
Default

its pretty funny because i just made a post last week about the bmr springs versus my stock springs and everyone said to just stay with the bmr springs because it wasn't going to make a difference. i am thinking that the 28" tire is too tall for my gears (4.11) and was also killing me off the line. i was thinking about going to a 26" et drag. can i just replace the front spring with a heavier 300lb. spring and keep the shocks that are on there? can i buy just the rear qa1 springs and use the stock shocks? i have dumped alot of money in the last few months on my " budget" build and am running pretty thin. as far as the pinion angle i thought that if the car was lowered it was supposed to be around -2 to -3?
Reply
Old Sep 6, 2008 | 09:57 AM
  #17  
JL ws-6's Avatar
Race your car!
20 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Shutterbug
iTrader: (50)
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 15,421
Likes: 18
Default

The shocks are needed, you'd be way better off putting all the stock springs on with the shocks.
Reply
Old Sep 6, 2008 | 11:28 AM
  #18  
SidewayzOZ's Avatar
TECH Resident
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 917
Likes: 0
From: Easley, SC
Default

Originally Posted by BMR Tech
The ET streets are what's killing you, they have no sidewall and a stiff sidewall is what you are going to need. A MT drag radial would work much better for your application..
Why would he want a stiff sidewall?

To the OP: For what it's worth my 26x11.5 ET Streets have worked best with just a very light 2nd gear burnout. If I do a long burnout with lots of smoke they don't hook up as well.
Reply
Old Sep 6, 2008 | 11:39 AM
  #19  
01FbTaWs6's Avatar
11 Second Club
iTrader: (12)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 1,142
Likes: 0
From: Cedar Rapids, IA
Default

im going to agree and say that the 28 tall tire is probably killing your short time also. But your spinning them, which is unusual if the tire is too large. But a 28 tall tire on a cam only car is overkill IMHO.
Reply
Old Sep 6, 2008 | 02:01 PM
  #20  
subhumanzz's Avatar
Thread Starter
9 Second Club
iTrader: (46)
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 1,037
Likes: 0
From: Fredericksburg, VA
Default

Originally Posted by 01FbTaWs6
im going to agree and say that the 28 tall tire is probably killing your short time also. But your spinning them, which is unusual if the tire is too large. But a 28 tall tire on a cam only car is overkill IMHO.
my car isn't cam only i am just to lazy to update my sig.
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:06 PM.

story-0
Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

Slideshow: This heavily modified 1971 Camaro mixes classic muscle car styling with a fifth-generation Camaro interior and modern LS3 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:06:42


VIEW MORE
story-1
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

Slideshow: From wobbling harmonic balancers to failed EBCMs, these are the issues that define long-term C5 ownership and what repairs typically involve.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-07 18:44:57


VIEW MORE
story-2
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

Slideshow: A modern Camaro transformed into a retro icon, this limited-run "Bandit" build blends nostalgia with brute force in a way few revivals manage.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:57:02


VIEW MORE
story-3
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

Slideshow: Cadillac didn't just crash the high-performance luxury vehicle party, it showed up loud, supercharged, and occasionally a little unhinged...

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-16 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-4
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

Slideshow: Top ten most powerful Chevy trucks ever made

By | 2026-03-25 09:22:26


VIEW MORE
story-5
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

Slideshow: Hennessey has turned the Silverado ZR2 into a 700-hp off-road monster with supercharged V8 power and a limited production run.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-24 18:57:52


VIEW MORE
story-6
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

Slideshow: A one-off sports car that looks like a vintage Italian exotic-but hides a C6 Corvette underneath-just sold for the price of a new mid-engine Corvette.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-23 18:53:41


VIEW MORE
story-7
Awesome K5 Blazer Restomod Comes With C7 Corvette Power

Slideshow: A heavily reworked 1972 K5 Blazer swaps its off-road roots for a low-slung street-focused build with modern V8 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-09 18:08:45


VIEW MORE
story-8
10 Camaros You Should Never Buy

Slideshow: There are thousands of used Camaros on the market but we think you should avoid these 10

By | 2026-02-17 17:09:30


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 LS Engine Myths That Refuse to Die

Slideshows: Which one of these myths do you believe?

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-01-28 18:10:11


VIEW MORE