Final Ruling on Stock Suspension
Thread Starter
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 5,295
Likes: 4
From: At the track
Final Ruling on Stock Suspension All cars running the Big Dog race at Thunder put on by Billingsley Racing and Madman &Co. Racing are as follows.
All cars must have LCAs in stock holes on body, relocation brackets are allowed as long as they are attached to factory saddle on rear end housing. Shocks and springs must be in stock mounting holes and location. Torque arms must attach to rearend housing the same as stock front mount must have only one attachment point. Rear frame rail allowed a MINITUB to clear tire. FRAME raail must be there and in stock location.
Front suspension must be a boltin style k-member with upper and lower co ntrol arms. NO AJE front ends.
All cars must have interior(2front seats, dash and carpet)
Must be a small block chevy based motor(LS1, LT1, SBC)
All cars will be weighed upon completion of all runs. Must weigh 3000lbs.
All cars must pass track and NHRA safety inspection.
Race format is as follows.
1 Qualifying pass at 5.00pm ( If you have a problem during qualifying your entry buys you a spot. You will be seeded at the bottom of the ladder but you will race.)
1st round at 5.45 pm every round after will be 45 minutes later. Cars will be called and you have 5 minutes to be headed to the lanes. If not you will not race.
All race will be a 4 tenths protree.
You will be seeded on a sportsman ladder.
1 runs 5
2 runs 6
3 runs 7
and so forth
at this time racers who have comitted are Madman, Pain, Chris Sikora, and Rick C5.
Tenatively we have George Baxter, Eastside Performance, Brady, Stealth, and possibly Jay Billingsley.
Lets go racing guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All cars must have LCAs in stock holes on body, relocation brackets are allowed as long as they are attached to factory saddle on rear end housing. Shocks and springs must be in stock mounting holes and location. Torque arms must attach to rearend housing the same as stock front mount must have only one attachment point. Rear frame rail allowed a MINITUB to clear tire. FRAME raail must be there and in stock location.
Front suspension must be a boltin style k-member with upper and lower co ntrol arms. NO AJE front ends.
All cars must have interior(2front seats, dash and carpet)
Must be a small block chevy based motor(LS1, LT1, SBC)
All cars will be weighed upon completion of all runs. Must weigh 3000lbs.
All cars must pass track and NHRA safety inspection.
Race format is as follows.
1 Qualifying pass at 5.00pm ( If you have a problem during qualifying your entry buys you a spot. You will be seeded at the bottom of the ladder but you will race.)
1st round at 5.45 pm every round after will be 45 minutes later. Cars will be called and you have 5 minutes to be headed to the lanes. If not you will not race.
All race will be a 4 tenths protree.
You will be seeded on a sportsman ladder.
1 runs 5
2 runs 6
3 runs 7
and so forth
at this time racers who have comitted are Madman, Pain, Chris Sikora, and Rick C5.
Tenatively we have George Baxter, Eastside Performance, Brady, Stealth, and possibly Jay Billingsley.
Lets go racing guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Final Ruling on Stock Suspension How many torque arms can we run 
(I'm not fast enough to run w/you guys...this year)
(I'm not fast enough to run w/you guys...this year)
__________________
1966 Chevy II twin turbo LS3 project
2016 Z07 Carbon
1966 Chevy II twin turbo LS3 project
2016 Z07 Carbon
Re: Final Ruling on Stock Suspension All cars must have LCAs in stock holes on body, relocation brackets are allowed as long as they are attached to factory saddle on rear end housing. Shocks and springs must be in stock mounting holes and location.
You can run Thumpers on 440 cube SBC's and thats legal, but moving in a shock and LCA is illegal?
Re: Final Ruling on Stock Suspension
How many torque arms can we run
(I'm not fast enough to run w/you guys...this year)
(I'm not fast enough to run w/you guys...this year)
It's all about the driving. 
Re: Final Ruling on Stock Suspension I guess that takes us out.
You can run Thumpers on 440 cube SBC's and thats legal, but moving in a shock and LCA is illegal?
Re: Final Ruling on Stock Suspension All cars must have LCAs in stock holes on body, relocation brackets are allowed as long as they are attached to factory saddle on rear end housing. Shocks and springs must be in stock mounting holes and location.
You can run Thumpers on 440 cube SBC's and thats legal, but moving in a shock and LCA is illegal?
Thread Starter
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 5,295
Likes: 4
From: At the track
Re: Final Ruling on Stock Suspension The object of this race was to see how fast STOCK suspended cars could go side by side. If we allow moved LCAs then why not allow 2 T/As, or strut front ends??? I cant make everyone happy so I set the rules to please the most cars.
Trending Topics
Resident Grump
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,050
Likes: 0
From: Walker County Alabama
Re: Final Ruling on Stock Suspension All cars must have LCAs in stock holes on body, relocation brackets are allowed as long as they are attached to factory saddle on rear end housing. Shocks and springs must be in stock mounting holes and location.
You can run Thumpers on 440 cube SBC's and thats legal, but moving in a shock and LCA is illegal?
LS1 Tech Stories
The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time
Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine
Verdad Gallardo
7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built
Verdad Gallardo
Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin
Verdad Gallardo
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them
Pouria Savadkouei
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph
Verdad Gallardo
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked
Pouria Savadkouei
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP
Verdad Gallardo
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes
Verdad Gallardo Re: Final Ruling on Stock Suspension Mikey, we we're thinking the same thing the day we went 8.50's...I guess making the cars look nice is illegal.
Not like we're 1.20 60 footing the car!
Not like we're 1.20 60 footing the car!
TECH Enthusiast
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 650
Likes: 0
From: Toronto, Canada
Re: Final Ruling on Stock Suspension All cars must have LCAs in stock holes on body, relocation brackets are allowed as long as they are attached to factory saddle on rear end housing. Shocks and springs must be in stock mounting holes and location.
You can run Thumpers on 440 cube SBC's and thats legal, but moving in a shock and LCA is illegal?
Ohhhhhhhh.......................What's that smell? Ahhhhhhhhh yes, play with the the rules to eliminate the fastest car in the country. Must be fear
, can't win so ya gotta change stack the deck . Paul
TECH Fanatic
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,308
Likes: 0
From: Indianapolis, IN
Re: Final Ruling on Stock Suspension Hey you bunch of winers. Sack it up and either race or debate it like MEN instead of four year olds.
Got a problem with the way the rules are? madman has a phone. call him.
bunch of internet BADASSES around here I guess.
EDIT: And I dont know why anyone would make rules to CUT OUT the ARE car. Its obviously had the suspension moved around. You can tell by looking at the car in person. Id personally like to know how the tops of the shocks are attached if they are moved in. New pocket made? What about the LCA? New brackets moved in? Sure sounds like STOCK mounting points to me.
THAT is sound debate. Not whining.
Got a problem with the way the rules are? madman has a phone. call him.
bunch of internet BADASSES around here I guess.
EDIT: And I dont know why anyone would make rules to CUT OUT the ARE car. Its obviously had the suspension moved around. You can tell by looking at the car in person. Id personally like to know how the tops of the shocks are attached if they are moved in. New pocket made? What about the LCA? New brackets moved in? Sure sounds like STOCK mounting points to me.
THAT is sound debate. Not whining.
TECH Senior Member
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 10,341
Likes: 1
Re: Final Ruling on Stock Suspension ARE's car passes True Street chassis certs up here for OSCA. That is what the car is setup to run.
Where was Madman at the last LS1TECH shootout that ARE attended?
There is a big difference between moving an LCA over to the other side of the stock bracket and running two torque arms!!
Give me a break LOL!
Unless the winner runs 8.50's or faster you aren't going to be the big dog anyways. Might want to rename your race!
Chris
Where was Madman at the last LS1TECH shootout that ARE attended?
There is a big difference between moving an LCA over to the other side of the stock bracket and running two torque arms!!
Give me a break LOL!
Unless the winner runs 8.50's or faster you aren't going to be the big dog anyways. Might want to rename your race!
Chris
TECH Fanatic
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 1,308
Likes: 0
From: Indianapolis, IN
Re: Final Ruling on Stock Suspension The point I was trying to make was hey this guy has moved his LCA's and shocks. Where do you draw the line? Thats obviously quite different from stock.
Two torque arms? LOL That would be pretty radical.
What I am the most dissapointed to see is everyone crying FOUL thinking that the rules were made so that the ARE car counted out.
Instead of offering up credible debate, everyone has went on the offensive. Someone step up and make some valid points and try convincing people otherwise instead of acting like a 2nd grader.
People here are smart enough to build fast 10.5 tire cars, why cant they debate in a respectable manner as well?
Two torque arms? LOL That would be pretty radical.
What I am the most dissapointed to see is everyone crying FOUL thinking that the rules were made so that the ARE car counted out.
Instead of offering up credible debate, everyone has went on the offensive. Someone step up and make some valid points and try convincing people otherwise instead of acting like a 2nd grader.
People here are smart enough to build fast 10.5 tire cars, why cant they debate in a respectable manner as well?
Thread Starter
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 5,295
Likes: 4
From: At the track
Re: Final Ruling on Stock Suspension If any one wants to send pics of the suspension on AREs car Jay and I will look at the suspension. If the car fits the spirit of Stock suspension rules then we will allow it. As of now we have 6 cars other than myself who have a true Stock suspension. We set the rules for these cars. I didnt see it being fair to build the rules for one car.
My email is madman69@swbell.net.
My email is madman69@swbell.net.
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 8,484
Likes: 0
From: Cecil County Raceway!!!
Re: Final Ruling on Stock Suspension I don't see the rationale for all the bitchin'
this is a "stock suspension" race. Not a "kinda looks like a stock suspension" race. wouldn't be that difficult to move the LCA back to stock location and put in some tires that'll clear. Besides...the tires on there now aren't improving 60-feet times right
this is a "stock suspension" race. Not a "kinda looks like a stock suspension" race. wouldn't be that difficult to move the LCA back to stock location and put in some tires that'll clear. Besides...the tires on there now aren't improving 60-feet times right
Re: Final Ruling on Stock Suspension If ARE was to run there car down here in the south with the other true 10.5 cars they wouldn't be allowed to race. True 10.5 down here is very strict about moving anything from the factory location points. There are cars down here running 7's to 8.30's in the 1/4 on stock style/stock location points, anywhere from 5.1x's-5.60's in the 1/8. All on true 10.5 non W tires like ARE. So the ARE car wouldn't be competitive anyways or be legal. I dunno maybe us southerners just like to stick to the rules and not try to bend them and break them.
Re: Final Ruling on Stock Suspension it doesn't matter, its a bit of crappy drive to get down there first of all...
But,
Madman, and any other chassis guys...
Now, moving in the LCA's to the inside bolt hole location keeping stock length, will that dramatically improve 60's?
Moving a shock over 2 inches and drilling a new hole in the floor, will that improve 60's?
If yes to either please explain.. I could hook the shock to the bumper and it wouldn't do anything!
If anything, the closer the shock to the tire, the better, we have moved it in! Its more stable the wider, think about it, its all bump and rebound
But,
Madman, and any other chassis guys...
Now, moving in the LCA's to the inside bolt hole location keeping stock length, will that dramatically improve 60's?
Moving a shock over 2 inches and drilling a new hole in the floor, will that improve 60's?
If yes to either please explain.. I could hook the shock to the bumper and it wouldn't do anything!
If anything, the closer the shock to the tire, the better, we have moved it in! Its more stable the wider, think about it, its all bump and rebound
Re: Final Ruling on Stock Suspension
I dunno maybe us southerners just like to stick to the rules and not try to bend them and break them.
TECH Resident
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 868
Likes: 0
Re: Final Ruling on Stock Suspension Let's see if I understand: ARE's current chassis setup is not legal for either the Southern Shootout or subsequent shootouts, which would mean one of two things must happen: (1) ARE must change their setup or (2) the shootout rules must be changed. Otherwise, ARE's Z cannot race at the shootouts. It doesn't appear the ARE was planning to attend anyway, but it does seem that we're at an impasse on ARE's Z. Yes?