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Old 08-01-2009, 12:27 PM
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Ok,I was just told they were too much for a 4'' boar and will loose bottom end. I was thinking of going to them so was just wondering how they felt to you since you have them. Are they out of the box?
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Originally Posted by mike c.
Ok,I was just told they were too much for a 4'' boar and will loose bottom end. I was thinking of going to them so was just wondering how they felt to you since you have them. Are they out of the box?
I can't answer that since its not my car.
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Originally Posted by mike c.
Ok,I was just told they were too much for a 4'' boar and will loose bottom end. I was thinking of going to them so was just wondering how they felt to you since you have them. Are they out of the box?
No. They have been milled from TEA along with porting the intake. As far as a 235cc head on a 402, compression is your friend. Most people do not want to run over 12:1 on a street car, that is probably why they dont recommend them on a 4 inch bore.

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Originally Posted by Nick Williams
98 C5 6 speed
LS2 based 402
Lunati crank and rods
Trick Flow 235's
Jesel Mohawk rocker arms
Fast 90 ported by Mike @ TEA
NW 90 DBW throttle body
12:1 compression
GZ vacuum pump

I will post more info later with a video of the car running.
wow, very nice numbers.

lots of top shelf parts in this build.
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Pump gas??
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98 octane
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That Vette sould go 10.50
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Wow!


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Originally Posted by allngn_c5
135-140 traps with some 3.90's and a tire. That beast is going easy 10's, just need to get out of the hole with it. Thats what I am hoping mine will do when I have a chance to go to the track. Best of luck with whatever you do with the car, VERY IMPRESSIVE !! That has definately got to be the highest hp 402 out !!! WOW !!
135-140mph traps? Have you ever been to the track?

If I were you I would hope for 127-128mph and be satisfied if ya get that.

either way sick power, and nice rides!
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Originally Posted by Sudz
135-140mph traps? Have you ever been to the track?

If I were you I would hope for 127-128mph and be satisfied if ya get that.

either way sick power, and nice rides!
We went 125 on the old stock cube H/C motor. This motor has already been 102 in the 1/8th with the 3.42 gear. I suspect it will be around the 130-133 range in the 1/4 with the 3.73.
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Originally Posted by to-fst-4u
We went 125 on the old stock cube H/C motor. This motor has already been 102 in the 1/8th with the 3.42 gear. I suspect it will be around the 130-133 range in the 1/4 with the 3.73.
Yes I have been to the track, and if he feels a 3.73 will give him 133, I am going to say 3.90's should put him at the top of 4th for 135+

Call me optimistic on the high guess, but call you uninformed for guessing 120 anything. THat car will do 130 on a bad day. I'd put money on it. **** he's got me beat by 29 rwhp and that thing is definately pulling harder up top (5-7,000 considering he's got the 235's vs my baby 215's) then mine. Add those 3.73's or 3.90's and I can only imagine. Either way its going to be bad *** once it hits the street and/or track

How much timing would you have to pull to get her to run on 93 pump? How much power do you think you'd lose to run pump 93 vs 98 ?

Awesome sounding video too !
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Originally Posted by allngn_c5
Yes I have been to the track, and if he feels a 3.73 will give him 133, I am going to say 3.90's should put him at the top of 4th for 135+

Call me optimistic on the high guess, but call you uninformed for guessing 120 anything. THat car will do 130 on a bad day. I'd put money on it. **** he's got me beat by 29 rwhp and that thing is definately pulling harder up top (5-7,000 considering he's got the 235's vs my baby 215's) then mine. Add those 3.73's or 3.90's and I can only imagine. Either way its going to be bad *** once it hits the street and/or track

How much timing would you have to pull to get her to run on 93 pump? How much power do you think you'd lose to run pump 93 vs 98 ?

Awesome sounding video too !

Dont mind the milling machine in the background noise. Those are throttle bodys being made

I think the car will make better numbers when we get some good air and the humidity down. The 570 was made with 95 degree air and 80% humidity.

As far as the timing goes, that would be a question for Nick, but on this run, timing was at 28 degrees with no knock.
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The vacuum pump creates a slight vacuum in the crankcase to help with blow-by pressures from loose piston rings. Low tension piston rings create a minimum of drag on the cylinder walls, but the low tension can also allow blow-by. You can use pistons with gas ports drilled into the pistons to put pressure behind the rings for sealing, but this is converse to the original intent. So, the use of a vacuum pump pulls out extra gasses from the crank case. Too much pressure in the crank case can act like an air spring and cause resistance. In my case, I sometimes blow out the dip stick about 6500 rpm. Thus, my pump is getting installed to avoid this. A good breather system can be used in place of the vacuum pump. But, when you are going after that n'th degree of power, you fine tune everything.

Check out GZMotorsports.com and Moroso.com.

I have 250cc intake runners and run 93 octane or E85.



Originally Posted by mike c.
Vacume pump,whats that???
I was told the 235's were too much for a 402ci. Anything done to the heads? How is the low rpm,street driving? I was thinking of loosing my l92's for some tfs heads.

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Originally Posted by to-fst-4u
Dont mind the milling machine in the background noise. Those are throttle bodys being made

I think the car will make better numbers when we get some good air and the humidity down. The 570 was made with 95 degree air and 80% humidity.

As far as the timing goes, that would be a question for Nick, but on this run, timing was at 28 degrees with no knock.
So are you sticking with the 130-133 trap estimate with 3.73's?

I think the car is going to go faster then that especially with 3.90's With the right tire height you will be able to match the speed and rpms and cross the 1320 at the top of 4th !! Good luck. What tires are going to be on it for the street ?
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With 93 maybe at the most 10 less hp.

As far as tires, I will probably run the BFG drag radial on the street and CCW drag pack for the track.

In the next few weeks I plan to add an electric water pump, 95mm intake and tb, and machine the heads to run 3/8 pushrods and better valve springs. Still having some valve float above 6k RPM.
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Damn, those are outrageous numbers. You got me by almost 120 hp and 50 Tq. I have basically the same set up as Allngn except I'm running 225s (I do have an auto though). Love to see some track times to compare to these dyno numbers. Hoping to get mine to the track by the end of the month.
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Thanks Nick.
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Originally Posted by allngn_c5
So are you sticking with the 130-133 trap estimate with 3.73's?
I think the car is going to go faster then that especially with 3.90's With the right tire height you will be able to match the speed and rpms and cross the 1320 at the top of 4th !! Good luck. What tires are going to be on it for the street ?
Only time will tell. We plan to go with the 3.73s for future purposes too.
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Awsome #'s. Trickflows prefrom again!!!
GREAT #'s for a 402. Congrats.
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Originally Posted by to-fst-4u
Custom Spec cam, high 240s low 250s duration I believe. 1 7/8 Kooks with 3 inch X Pipe into GHL catback. The car also has a C6 rearend conversion.
Solid roller?


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