Pray

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Well guys I told you I would get numbers up when I got them. The motor only has 500 miles on it and still has the 50w break in oil in there as well. To get to the point, it made 525/499rw with a 12.8-13.0 afr and between 23-26* of timing. THROUGH THE STOCK CAT BACK. I am very pleased with how the car drives and how tame it is. It actually has way better manners than the 346 with the 228/228 112 it had. Here is the combo.

01 Vette
SDPC 416 short. 11.7:1 SCR 8.7 DCR (93 octane)
TFS 235's. (Is there another head)
Pat G LSL 235/239 .620/.623 115 (you the man again)
Comp 850-16's
TFS 7.6
YT's
Vengeance ported 90/home ported 90 TB
ASP UD
ARH 1 7/8" LT
3" X no catts
Stock Cat Back
Tex OZ700
19" SP500 wheels
M6
Some kind of dual filter intake with dirty filters
85mm MAF
Complete build and tuning done by me.

525rw SAE at 6,100 no smoothing, 499rw SAE at 4,500 no smothing. Smoothing 5 523/497rw. It was 96* with high humidity on the dyno. It was also pulling 3-4KPA above 4,500 on the dyno.

I think the potential is there to see 540-550rw when the engine is broken in, the oil is changed to light synthetic, we get the DMH dual cut outs and address the intake track some more. Let alone the weather getting alot better which it does here. We were discussing an EWP and we need to address the cank case pressure venting system. All and all I am happy so far. This car drives so well and docile it is sick. Pat did a heck of a job on this tiny cam and Vengeance did a great job getting me every thing I needed at unbeatable prices. Kudos to all involved. My guy is extreamly happy with the car.

Jim'sZ28

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Pretty darn good with the 19" wheels and stock catback. Close to my 415. Always wondered what some 235's would do to my combo

Pray

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They would do wonders on your combo. Especially on Jeremys dyno.

mike c.

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You should see another 12hp or so around 3,000mi. The guy who tunes my car tuned some stock 505hp zo6 making 435 new and 450hp after 3,000mi.
For 90+deg,not broke in and a stock cat,pretty damn good.

awd2rwd

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Very nice man as always....im interested to see how my 415ci will compare if I ever get it finished. I have a few questions...what did your heads flow, are they the ones you used on the last motor? and what is the reason you didnt go with a bigger cam?? does it have to do with the fact that it is the lsl lobes or is it for street manners? Comparatively my cam is 24x-26x .66x lift on both sides, All Pro heads, EWP, Ported Vic Jr with 6061 intake elbow/ported ls2 tb, 13:1 compression, mine is also a 6 speed. Also any reason you stuck with maf tuning as opposed to SD?

Very nice results though, im interested to see the numbers after you get everything worked out and the motor is broken in

03EBZ06

i've been waiting for the results....and they look good. what do you think of that 115 LSL cam?? Was that an attempt more of a street car with a nice flat top end power band? Please describe the cam's characteristics. What was the advance on that cam? Those TFS heads just suck up low lift airflow and seem to really like the LSL cams.

Pray

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Thanks guys. This motor isn't in my car. Wait, I don't even have a car any more. I wish this thing was in my truck though. It is a friend/customers car and he wanted a stockish sounding, stock driving car that made 550rw. So the cam selection went as such. I thought the cam was a little on the small and mild side but I fully trust Pat G's cam selections. The heads flow almost 360cfm at .600 lift. They out flowed the heads on my car by almost 10cfm from .300 lift and up. The cam is really awsome to tell the truth. It really drives like a stock cam. It is idling at 800rpm with a little burble. There is no bucking or surging and it was pretty easy to tune. It peaked at 6,100 but didn't drop but 5rw by 6,700 where I shut it down. It has 3* ground into it and I degreed it on a 113 center line.

I usually see about a 15rw gain at around 2,500 miles on a new motor. Part of that comes from taking out the heavy break in oil and going to Royal Purple 10/30w. I have seen 5-10rw on older stock bottom end cars by just going to RP 5/30w.

The MAF is in there still because we haven't hooked up the WB02 yet. I haven't really seem many gains in the past by going with a CLSD tune. I usally do a CLSD tune to get the VE table correct before I add the MAF but I didn't have the time with this motor. I used a combination of a couple other VE tables I had and it worked out great. I gained some when I ditched the MAF in the intake stream completely and went COSIII OLSD on my car. You can use the IAT sensor to tune then. Plus the cam didn't demand that we ditch the MAF in the beginning. I will keep it on there if we can hit the number with out it becoming the bottle neck. I made 555/515rw with mine in place. That seemed to be the limit.

AWD. Your car should be a rocket. The All Pro heads usually do a really good job. I wanted to put a Victor type manifold on my car and let it eat on the top end but it never happend. Will the elbow hurt you? I remember reading a post about a guy gaining 90rw by swapping out an elbow.

All in all I am just glad this thing is backing up the numbers I made with my motor. I will be completely validated when this thing makes 540-550rw. My buddy is really happy and that is all that matters.

Kurtomac

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nice...you say stock catback on an "01 vette" is that stock catback Z06 Ti's or just the standard vette catback?

Pray

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Not sure which one. It didn't look like Ti but it could have been. Either way it is a restriction at this point.

How are you liking the island? Are you getting rock fever yet?

Kurtomac

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this place is badass...come to Torri Station....thats a Army place near here

Patrick G

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Great numbers Brett. Glad the wide LSA and later ICL helped the small cam carry power nicely at higher rpm (as designed). Another fantastic combo. Congrats.

LS6

These numbers makes me cry

seems LS engine loves to go beyound 5XX rwph!!!

Very nice results

awd2rwd

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Not to hijack the thread...ive heard the same on some elbows and i definitely looked into that when deciding which one to go with...from what ive seen the 6061/aarons elbow is suppose to do very well opposed to some of the other guys i guess well see but looking at it simplistically the curve of the elbow is not very harsh here is a picture




excuse the shitty cell pics

Pray

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I guess it isn't super sharp but it seems that even that curve will send most of the air to the back and then to the back cylinders. It is making over a 90* turn in less than an inch of height it looks like. I am not a fabricator and I am sure the guy that builds them knows what he is doing with your combo. It is so hard to get an optimaly shaped elbow to fit under a factory hood. It sure does look good.

awd2rwd

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Yeah luckily im not using the stock hood anymore so hopefully it the elbow proves to be a bust I have wiggle room to move...none the less awesome build and very motivating to get mine finished so as to compare

Pwebbz28

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A 1" spacer under the elbow and some epoxy behind the throttle body opening will help