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Old 01-08-2013, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by c0ncEpT
Keith do you race this car? I'm curious what it would trap with the 6 speed. I'd think 125mph wouldn't be a problem. Congrats on the good results.
At Tick we race EVERYTHING! I would think that wouldn't be out of the question at all with his power output.
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That thing is definitely making some good power...and still has more left in it!
I think we can make 500 if he lets me tinker with it some hehehe....
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I'd love to see it make 500, and dealing with the first class guys at Tick I don't think it would be hard at all! We will have to hold off a bit on swapping p-rods or rockers whichever I decide to do. Gotta save some green. I have not had this car on the track at all since I've had it. At the start of the season I guess we'll see how it does. I had my previous TA on the track but didn't launch it, it had a stock rear and I didn't want to break my dd. So it will take me some quality time to dial myself in!
Also I was thinking of throwing a shot on much later on down the road, since I just got my car going again. I've got an old TNT kit still lying around and I was thinking maybe 75 to 100 shot. What do you guys think? Feel free to chime in.
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Originally Posted by motiv8ed
I'd love to see it make 500, and dealing with the first class guys at Tick I don't think it would be hard at all! We will have to hold off a bit on swapping p-rods or rockers whichever I decide to do. Gotta save some green. I have not had this car on the track at all since I've had it. At the start of the season I guess we'll see how it does. I had my previous TA on the track but didn't launch it, it had a stock rear and I didn't want to break my dd. So it will take me some quality time to dial myself in!
Also I was thinking of throwing a shot on much later on down the road, since I just got my car going again. I've got an old TNT kit still lying around and I was thinking maybe 75 to 100 shot. What do you guys think? Feel free to chime in.
Let it eat hit it with the dope!
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Wow, you make L92 heads look like crap with the numbers the 225 heads are putting out.
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Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
Not personally, but we have mainly just stepped up the diameter to keep deflection at bay. A 11/32 would be my second choice in .100-.120 wall.

Overlap and when you open the exhaust valve. Those two are effected most by lsa and exhaust duration. Also important but slightly less IMO is intake valve open and close as that determines when and where the curve peaks, but overlap and evo shape the curve itself.


You brought it to the right place to get tuned Keith!
Try it sometime, but a 11/32 isn't bad choice either.
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Originally Posted by rocket69GTP
Wow, you make L92 heads look like crap with the numbers the 225 heads are putting out.
While the square port L92/LS3 heads are a very good deal and make good numbers with the right cam and head work, I really prefer the cathedral stuff and a 2.055"-2.08" intake valve under a 4.065" bore in the 4.005-4.030" bore applications.
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Try it sometime, but a 11/32 isn't bad choice either.
I've heard some good things about them, I just know we have had proven results with the tapered 3/8" push rod and 11/32" push rods, but I can see the gain in wall thickness helping to keep the rod from deflecting under high spring loads.
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Video of dyno? The exhaust setup is perfect IMO. Great numbers as well. Cannot wait to revisit the shop with a fast and ai heads.
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Originally Posted by therat1989
Video of dyno? The exhaust setup is perfect IMO. Great numbers as well. Cannot wait to revisit the shop with a fast and ai heads.
We actually may have our own line of cylinder heads by then....

WOOPS did I say that out loud?
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So... I'll take "let it eat" as a yes, lol! Have to take a video when it dynos 500! Can't wait to get back home this weekend and raise some cain. It's supposed to be spring like weather.
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Martin@Tick,]
Do you have any idea on what the CC the heads are to get 10:75 comp with the LQ4 dish pistons??

VEry impressive.

thanks,
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Do you have any idea on what the CC the heads are to get 10:75 comp with the LQ4 dish pistons??

VEry impressive.

thanks,
Jim
It should be 60cc give or take.
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Pushrods will not help the yella terra roller rocker & TFS heavy valves

I have tested 11/32 heavy wall vs 5/16 back to back and the graphs were identical...not until I changed out the valves to ls3 did it make a big difference...

OP better off trying to sell the YTs and doing stock trunion, would put money in your pocket too

Also 102 fast is superior to the 90/92...

I gained 20rwhp by swapping to a 102 and ls3 valves, not sure on the split as I did both at the same time
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Originally Posted by chrs1313
Pushrods will not help the yella terra roller rocker & TFS heavy valves

I have tested 11/32 heavy wall vs 5/16 back to back and the graphs were identical...not until I changed out the valves to ls3 did it make a big difference...

OP better off trying to sell the YTs and doing stock trunion, would put money in your pocket too

Also 102 fast is superior to the 90/92...

I gained 20rwhp by swapping to a 102 and ls3 valves, not sure on the split as I did both at the same time
I tend to agree on the push rods, but Tooley seems to think with the 3/8" push rods that it will clear up as judging by his dyno graph, his valve float wasn't as severe as yours, but I could be wrong. I always prefer stock rockers to roller rockers anyways.

So you gained 20rwhp from just the 102 swap or 20rwhp from the 102 & LS3 valves?

I've never seen any gains going from a 92 to a 102 that made it worth while with all the other stuff that has to be done to make it work in a F-body, not to mention cost. We have always had great results from the 92's and prefer them on stock stroke applications, but everyone has a preference.
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very interesting
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I personally think the 102 is far superior as well. The runner design and shape as well as the height of the arch in the horn really make the 102 shine. There isn't alot more work that needs to be done with a fast102 either... stock LS2 fuel rails bolt on just like stock LS1 rails do the 92. On corvettes it's a little different story.

Awesome setup here... I don't think that power will come up any at peak as the float seems like its well past the peak power rpm anyhow. Also depends on the springs that are on the TFS heads currently. LS3 valves and stock rockers will def broaden the curve out more though.
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Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
I tend to agree on the push rods, but Tooley seems to think with the 3/8" push rods that it will clear up as judging by his dyno graph, his valve float wasn't as severe as yours, but I could be wrong. I always prefer stock rockers to roller rockers anyways.

So you gained 20rwhp from just the 102 swap or 20rwhp from the 102 & LS3 valves?

I've never seen any gains going from a 92 to a 102 that made it worth while with all the other stuff that has to be done to make it work in a F-body, not to mention cost. We have always had great results from the 92's and prefer them on stock stroke applications, but everyone has a preference.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...4-10-11-a.html

https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...sure-diff.html

Spring info is PAC 1521 springs,
Cam is 239/243 lsl/lsl 111+4

Yes gains were with both ls3 valves and fast 102
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I wish I would have had the ls3 valves installed in my tf 235's , I'll have to see what my graph looks like once I get it ready to tune , seems like an easy mod to pick up a little More hp and help the valve float



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