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Just finished up dyno tuning this nice looking 6.0 GTO. It is running one of our Saturday Night Special series "TorqueMAX" cams. This is the Stage 2 227/235 .61x"/.62x" 110+3 version. The car has minimal bolt-ons including 1x7/8" headers, 3" catted X-pipe with 3" Magnaflow exhaust and a Vararam intake. It also has a Fast 102 intake with the stock 90mm LS2 TB.

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Sounds very tame with the Magnaflow Mufflers and cats.

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Very nice power and torque curve for stock heads and the minimal amounts of bolt-ons the car has. Without cats I'd expect it to pick up 5-10rwhp and with a larger MAF and an under-drive pulley it could pick up another 10-15rwhp there. Lots of potential for future modifications!

Main thing is it drives very well. The 6.0 soaks up the overlap and spits it out like a purring kitten. 6th gear at 55mph is not a problem at all.

Raoul-Duke

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Nice!

Pray

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I just got more excited about our little talk the other day. May can't come soon enough. I will post up my numbers when I get them. I think we will crush my desired numbers. Great cam, wish I would have though of it. Lol. That thing is producing for sure.

JayplaySS

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Good job Martin

Sales@Tick

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Thanks!
LOL! Hey, they do say great minds think alike! I think you will really like this profile, especially in a TBSS. The torque it produces is very impressive for such a small camshaft.
Thanks Jay, your ride ain't no slouch either!

weldermike27408

Stock TB,untouched stock heads .... thats damn good and 400 lb/ft too ....

Pray

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It is the down low tq and past peak hp numbers that are impressing me the most. With an A4 you have to look at shift extension and shift recovery rpm since it is such a drastic drop with only two gear shifts. You could easily run this cam out to 6,800 or a little higher if need be in 1st and the flat tq curve will aid in recovery down below the 4,000 range which is where you will be after the shift. I am having to rethink my converter selection now. On most of the cams that make this much hp there is about a 25-50rwtq gain from 3,200 to 3,600 so the 3,600 stall was a no brainer and worth the loss in drivability. But this cam only gains 10rwtq from 3,200-3,600 and really only peaks another 20rwtq at 4,750. What to do, what to do.

I am thinking I may be able to hit 450rw out of the TBSS with me porting the heads and intake but my 1 3/4" headers and 2.5" catted Y will hurt some. I will have an U/D and the rest of the bolt ons though. We will see. I am loving this cam. But of course I will have to have that one degree of seperation like we discussed. I always have to be a little different.

Has the customer reported on stuff like drivability and milage yet? With those power numbers I guess milage doesn't really matter and I am sure the drivability is great considering how small the cam actually is. Just curious as to the customers impressions.

aknovaman

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I did a similar cam and springs last fall on this GTO, easily done.

430hp 400 tq all day long.

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06X6spdGTO

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Great job martin!

Would like to see this guy step into some TFS 220 AS CAST... and get some new results.

TrentSS

Martin, I'm loving these SNS TorqueMax cams! That table-top curve on the street has gotta feel good. Great job man!

Sales@Tick

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As you noted, this cam just makes tons of torque everywhere across the RPM range. Not just a peak number like a lot of other cams and other larger cams do, but just look at the average hp from 5300rpm-6800rpm it never drops below 400rwhp that is damn impressive to me. This cam will be much faster at the track than a lot of other much larger cams will due to the average power it makes down low and up top. I honestly think you could stick a 3200 stall in the TBSS and utilize the power curve of the cam just fine.

The car is actually still here at the shop as we're finishing up the tune. So far all the customers with this cam aside from one that didn't really give us enough time to finish up his tune before he wanted to pick the car up love the drivability. I know you know what you're doing when it comes to tuning so you should have no issues getting it to drive nicely. I think an auto is a little more forgiving when it comes to drivability versus a M6 anyways.
What were the specs on the cam you used? If you follow any of my posts you will see that I don't just post up "ringer" dyno graph numbers and don't just post dyno graphs when we have some high dollar combination come through the doors. I try to post real world everyday combinations that the average enthusiast can afford so that they can get a realistic idea of how their car will perform. That way they don't base their expectations off of some "ringer" combo or a high dollar aftermarket cylinder head, high compression, every bolt on in the book, 50psi of air in the tires, weather station next to the heater dyno numbers.

I'm in no way saying that's what your numbers are, it just sounded like from your post that you were trying to say that this isn't anything special, which it isn't. What it is though is real world, and very realistic to what the average enthusiast can expect.
I had a customer the other day with a set of TEA Stage 2 243's and a FAST92/95 with this cam make 437rwhp/401rwtq on a dyno dynamics dyno. As you and I both know that is quite possibly the lowest reading type of chassis dyno known to man. I'd expect to see that customers numbers well into the 465rwhp-475rwhp/430rwtq-440rwtq on a Dyno Jet based off the numbers he got from the Dyno Dynamics machine.
They are very popular right now and this 227/235 110+3 Stage 2 grind along with the 235/243 111+2 Stage 3 are probably my best selling and most popular grinds.

Pray

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I would like to see some AI 230's, NW100, U/D, and EWP if we are pulling out all the stops.

6PntHo

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Nice numbers. Sounds really good.

Pray

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Thanks for the tuning Props Martin. I have been doing a lot of studying up this trip so I don't leave anything out on the next E38 tunes I do.

Now I really am second guessing the 3,600 stall. It will still be faster at the track. 11.9's@110 full weight (4,850) or bust with "stock" parts.

Sales@Tick

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I would expect to see at least a 75rwhp gain from those modifications...can we say 500rwhp with a 227 duration cam?
Thank you sir!
No problem. I think the 3600 stall is still your best bet, but with how flat the curve is between 3200-3500 rpm I think the 3200 or a 3400 would do work as well.

aknovaman

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237 603 and 242 609 off the shelf majic stick 3 cam. Yes it is nothing special or ringer about the car. Well and my tuning.

Sales@Tick

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So how is my 227/235 stage 2 anything close to a 237/242 cam? I don't see a similarity at all in the two cams.

aknovaman

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They both have 2's and 7's in the numbers...........

But seriously, you have a bit less duration and more lift. Kind of a irrelevant point when it comes to the power produced as they both gave similar dyno results above cruising rpm. My buddy wanted more of a choppy idle so he went with more duration and did not want to. Get into the engine and have to fly cut the piston tops so he chose less lift. My buddies GTO has the stock intake and stock throttle body. Next will be heads, intake and throttle body.

Sales@Tick

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Lol touche'.

06X6spdGTO

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Martin, Any update on the Fbody with TFS 220's and your grind???? Did he ever get the tuning issues figured out I was walking him through??