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Old 06-14-2019, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth_V8r
Looks like it could carry to 7400 still making good power
Yeah, I had a couple of things stopping me from increasing the limit. I'm currently running a stock GM replacement oil pump and my injector duty was at 94% (Fast 36lbs/ 42lbs @58).

I will install a high pressure melling when I swap the cam and injectors. We'll see how the heads perform and then will install bigger heads.
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Awesome!!
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Originally Posted by LaBLKv6Z
I was actually making the pulls. I questioned why the rpms are off. My limiter is set at 7000 and each run I ran it to the limiter.
You have another limiter not set correctly in the tune. RPM is spot on with torque and RPM crossing at 5250.......................
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I'm using a gm pump like hammer used in his 388 for my ls6 build. I trust the gm pumps more.
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Originally Posted by lazerlemonta
You have another limiter not set correctly in the tune. RPM is spot on with torque and RPM crossing at 5250.......................
On my data log it showed to be spinning to 7k but the shops dyno graph was not matching.

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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
I'm using a gm pump like hammer used in his 388 for my ls6 build. I trust the gm pumps more.
Is it ported? I’ve ran the Melling high pressure and high volume in the ls1. I decided to run the OEM pump this time around but thinking about going to the high pressure again when I open it up.
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Originally Posted by LaBLKv6Z
I'm running PRC LS6 2.5 heads on my LS3 427. M6 Car weighs 3490 with me. With my current cam (239/252 .620/.596 111 lsa) it has trapped 127 in the quarter.

What's your compression ratio and intake and exhaust
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Originally Posted by fastlt1
What's your compression ratio and intake and exhaust
11.6:1, Fast 102 long runners, TSP 2"primary to 3.5" collectors to SE dual 3" x pipe.
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Originally Posted by LaBLKv6Z


On my data log it showed to be spinning to 7k but the shops dyno graph was not matching.
WHat size engine you got?
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Originally Posted by bortous
WHat size engine you got?
4.07 bore, 4.1 stroke LS3
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Originally Posted by LaBLKv6Z
4.07 bore, 4.1 stroke LS3
So it's a 427.
I think 2 inch headers is overkill at this power level.
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Originally Posted by bortous
So it's a 427.
I think 2 inch headers is overkill at this power level.
Depends on the build IMO....
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Originally Posted by bortous
So it's a 427.
I think 2 inch headers is overkill at this power level.
You spelled *sized perfectly* wrong. Lol. I had a friend with a bolt ons only ls7 benefitted from 2 inch primaries.
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Originally Posted by Darth_V8r
You spelled *sized perfectly* wrong. Lol. I had a friend with a bolt ons only ls7 benefitted from 2 inch primaries.
Haha. Maybe I did, maybe I didn't.

I found an interesting article actually about headers.
This guy in WA did extensive testing using the same engine. Go to www.streetquick.com.au
First with 1 3/4 headers, then with 1 7/8 then with a fast and stock ls3 intake with each headers size.
The combo that ran the most consistent was with the 1 3/4 pipes.
However for some reason when this combo was paired with a 102mm throttle body, the FAST 102mm and the 1 7/8 this pulled the fastest time.
This might be right as when I switched over from 1 3/4 to 1 7/8 I gained nothing.
Now that I remember, the manufacturer of my headers once did tell me you would only go the 1 7/8 size if you were over 800hp.
I'm sure these manufacturers know exactly how big you need to go for each power level....
For some things, it's so difficult to find definitive results.
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Originally Posted by LaBLKv6Z
Is it ported? I’ve ran the Melling high pressure and high volume in the ls1. I decided to run the OEM pump this time around but thinking about going to the high pressure again when I open it up.
No it's not ported. Schawanky who built hammers bottom end said porting them did nothing in their testing.
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I think your key there is intake size. Engines are like lungs. They can only breathe in what they breathe out AND can only breathe out what they first breathe in.

Smaller intake, making to larger headers made no difference. Larger intake there were gains?

Link was just to main page. No article.
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Originally Posted by bortous
Haha. Maybe I did, maybe I didn't.

I found an interesting article actually about headers.
This guy in WA did extensive testing using the same engine. Go to www.streetquick.com.au
First with 1 3/4 headers, then with 1 7/8 then with a fast and stock ls3 intake with each headers size.
The combo that ran the most consistent was with the 1 3/4 pipes.
However for some reason when this combo was paired with a 102mm throttle body, the FAST 102mm and the 1 7/8 this pulled the fastest time.
This might be right as when I switched over from 1 3/4 to 1 7/8 I gained nothing.
Now that I remember, the manufacturer of my headers once did tell me you would only go the 1 7/8 size if you were over 800hp.
I'm sure these manufacturers know exactly how big you need to go for each power level....
For some things, it's so difficult to find definitive results.
Dynos are tuning tools and tracks are for results. Ive seen some kickass 416 ci motors that got it done at the track where it matters running 2 inch headers.

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If I had known I probably would have kept my 1 3/4 headers but then again with my engine not revving higher than 6300 at the momemt I wouldn't be reaping the benefits of the 1 7/8
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With header size. I think it was one of the best mods I've done moving to 2" headers. As at my power level the 1 7/8 would have been fine. With exhaust also a very important thing is header back. You could have the biggest headers but if still, to say a single over axle setup, may not do much. After moving from 1 3/4" to the 2" headers. The engine felt so much more relaxed from less back pressure I'd say. As when holding the engine at 4500-5000rpm, with the 1 3/4, waiting for a hit. It needed more throttle to keep it there & felt like brakes if you let off. With the 2" headers you feel the motor can spin that high feeling much easier. Or not as much draw back from say letting off or to just hold it there.

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Originally Posted by SoFla01SSLookinstok
With header size. I think it was one of the best mods I've done moving to 2" headers. As at my power level the 1 7/8 would have been fine. With exhaust also a very important thing is header back. You could have the biggest headers but if still, to say a single over axle setup, may not do much. After moving from 1 3/4" to the 2" headers. The engine felt so much more relaxed from less back pressure I'd say. As when holding the engine at 4500-5000rpm, with the 1 3/4, waiting for a hit. It needed more throttle to keep it there & felt like brakes if you let off. With the 2" headers you feel the motor can spin that high feeling much easier. Or not as much draw back from say letting off or to just hold it there.
Did you make extra power with the 2 inch headers?


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