g5x4 cam only dyno
Originally Posted by 97bowtie
There's no reason you can't run 27-28* of timing on our gas here in a cam only car this time of year. I run 28-29* of timing in my cam only car with zero knock. I know most of the cam only cars here aren't running 22-24* of timing.
Originally Posted by SSOnYourSix
What do I know
Excellent question.
22-24* of timing on a cam only car is a joke, and you know it. I can see you running this low timing for a safe n20 tune, but for an NA cam only car, it's assinine.
Originally Posted by 97bowtie
Excellent question.
22-24* of timing on a cam only car is a joke, and you know it. I can see you running this low timing for a safe n20 tune, but for an NA cam only car, it's assinine.
22-24* of timing on a cam only car is a joke, and you know it. I can see you running this low timing for a safe n20 tune, but for an NA cam only car, it's assinine.
timing isnt everything and a lot of people dont want to retune once every 3 months when temps change... Most would rather know if they get a bad tank of gas or hit a really crappy air day they dont have to worry about detonating or having driving issues, I have a few LS1s on my floor if you would like to see what too much timing looks like!
Originally Posted by SSOnYourSix
I ran 23 degrees in my car, and that is what is currently in Mcduffys car... he also holds the record in AZ for stock bottom end N/A dyno... And with the LSX it made 443 also holding the record with 23 degrees.
timing isnt everything and a lot of people dont want to retune once every 3 months when temps change... Most would rather know if they get a bad tank of gas or hit a really crappy air day they dont have to worry about detonating or having driving issues, I have a few LS1s on my floor if you would like to see what too much timing looks like!
timing isnt everything and a lot of people dont want to retune once every 3 months when temps change... Most would rather know if they get a bad tank of gas or hit a really crappy air day they dont have to worry about detonating or having driving issues, I have a few LS1s on my floor if you would like to see what too much timing looks like!
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Originally Posted by 97bowtie
No **** timing isn't everything, but running 23* isn't necessary. That's just my opinion, but hey...I don't claim that 11 second cars are the fastest cars in AZ. lol
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LOL... but a 9 second car and 2 that are well into the 10's dont count right?
Originally Posted by 97bowtie
I don't claim that 11 second cars are the fastest cars in AZ. lol
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Daniel, an LS6 head doesn't need a lot of timing, nor will it accept it. I run 28 degrees in most N/A LS1 headed engines out here on 91 octane. LS6 headed engines are another story.
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Staging Lane
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Originally Posted by SSOnYourSix
I ran 23 degrees in my car, and that is what is currently in Mcduffys car... he also holds the record in AZ for stock bottom end N/A dyno... And with the LSX it made 443 also holding the record with 23 degrees.
timing isnt everything and a lot of people dont want to retune once every 3 months when temps change... Most would rather know if they get a bad tank of gas or hit a really crappy air day they dont have to worry about detonating or having driving issues, I have a few LS1s on my floor if you would like to see what too much timing looks like!
timing isnt everything and a lot of people dont want to retune once every 3 months when temps change... Most would rather know if they get a bad tank of gas or hit a really crappy air day they dont have to worry about detonating or having driving issues, I have a few LS1s on my floor if you would like to see what too much timing looks like!
Originally Posted by Freaklt1
So did he dyno 425 or 443? Also Nic's post leads me to believe this car is LS6 headed... Is it? There is no way in hell you will gain 20-30 rwhp by dynoing in another location outside of Arizona simply because you can run more timing. You might gain 1 hp per degree of timing. Your dyno also appears to be rather generous, so I would not complain about the numbers that your dyno is dishing out. BTW, nice Zo6 there. Have you ran it or dyno'd it yet?
My car has been dyno'd at ADC as well as our dyno and makes numbers within 1-2 rwhp of each other. I did 406 at ADC about 6 months ago, then on a before/after at pro dyno did 408 which I will say is more than likely due to daily temp variances, not dyno.
also keep in mind our dyno is identicle to ADCs and Xtremes... both dyno jets, both on the same software, so unless the magnetic north of the world changes then both dynos will do the same save for differences in daily readings... there is NO CALIBRATING A DYNO!
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Originally Posted by SSOnYourSix
the car did 443 when I owned it, when he purchased it I removed the LSX 90mm TB and intake manifold, which dropped it to 425 rwhp.
My car has been dyno'd at ADC as well as our dyno and makes numbers within 1-2 rwhp of each other. I did 406 at ADC about 6 months ago, then on a before/after at pro dyno did 408 which I will say is more than likely due to daily temp variances, not dyno.
also keep in mind our dyno is identicle to ADCs and Xtremes... both dyno jets, both on the same software, so unless the magnetic north of the world changes then both dynos will do the same save for differences in daily readings... there is NO CALIBRATING A DYNO!
My car has been dyno'd at ADC as well as our dyno and makes numbers within 1-2 rwhp of each other. I did 406 at ADC about 6 months ago, then on a before/after at pro dyno did 408 which I will say is more than likely due to daily temp variances, not dyno.
also keep in mind our dyno is identicle to ADCs and Xtremes... both dyno jets, both on the same software, so unless the magnetic north of the world changes then both dynos will do the same save for differences in daily readings... there is NO CALIBRATING A DYNO!
Originally Posted by Nic00Z28M6
Daniel, an LS6 head doesn't need a lot of timing, nor will it accept it. I run 28 degrees in most N/A LS1 headed engines out here on 91 octane. LS6 headed engines are another story.
Makes sense now that we know you are talking about a smaller chambered head and more compression. As I said, a cam only car in AZ will have no problem running 28* of timing. Glad you agree.
Originally Posted by Freaklt1
I now see why the numbers are so high. This is your old car? You have ls6 heads on this car, so it really cannot be considered "cam only". I know the dyno's are not calibrated differently, but when you see a 6spd car run consistent 14.0's at 102 every time he goes to the track, dyno 332rwhp you have to wonder.
Also who ran consistent 14.0s at the track with that hp? there are a few bad drivers that just dont know the cars that well, but the majority of good drivers run low to mid 13s with that power... I did consistent 13.11@109.5 with 337 rwhp so I know its possible, and that dyno was done at Street Flight WAY back in the day before I had even ever gone to pro dyno... If you had a bone stock car and went to Xtreme, ADC, Us, and to any other dynojet chances are all would be within a few horse of each other... main difference is our dyno is indoors as well as Xtremes, while ADC is outdoors... that 10 degree difference in temperature can make a lot on a dyno!
Originally Posted by 97bowtie
Maybe these clowns should mention the LS6 heads. Posting numbers claiming it's a cam only car, even though it has LS6 heads...real reputable.
Makes sense now that we know you are talking about a smaller chambered head and more compression. As I said, a cam only car in AZ will have no problem running 28* of timing. Glad you agree.
Makes sense now that we know you are talking about a smaller chambered head and more compression. As I said, a cam only car in AZ will have no problem running 28* of timing. Glad you agree.
Originally Posted by SSOnYourSix
Its not considered cam only, its considered stock bottom end, which it is... and it is the highest dynoing n/a stock bottom end LS1 in AZ
Also who ran consistent 14.0s at the track with that hp? there are a few bad drivers that just dont know the cars that well, but the majority of good drivers run low to mid 13s with that power... I did consistent 13.11@109.5 with 337 rwhp so I know its possible
Also who ran consistent 14.0s at the track with that hp? there are a few bad drivers that just dont know the cars that well, but the majority of good drivers run low to mid 13s with that power... I did consistent 13.11@109.5 with 337 rwhp so I know its possible
Originally Posted by SSOnYourSix
Please find where I said the car was cam only... in addition I didnt switch the heads, its just an LS6 crate engine... so by your wording you said cam only cars with 22-24 degrees is a joke, maybe you should specify LS1 or LS6
See my post above.