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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 09:19 PM
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Nah, my buddies SS was tuned stock and it left w/ 13:1, then it lean out for some reason (14:1) within a month and dyno'd 20 less than it did once they got it back to 13:1
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Old Nov 19, 2005 | 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 98NBM_TransAm
Nah, my buddies SS was tuned stock and it left w/ 13:1, then it lean out for some reason (14:1) within a month and dyno'd 20 less than it did once they got it back to 13:1
Id start by changing the plugs...You should be able to feel the engine kinda holding back at high rpms...a high rpm misfire is almost always a plug. It wont set codes either. I just had this problem after changing my valvesprings and installing brand new ngk tr55's. I had a bad plug and they were brand new. Went to the Iridium TR55's and it made a WORLD of difference. I could definitely feel the power loss from the bad plug, was at least 30 or 40rwhp.
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Old Nov 20, 2005 | 12:20 AM
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Change the plugs and wires. I have a 98 with all the usual boltons and a smaller cam. On the first pull after the cam, it did 300hp. I was pissed. After changing the plugs and wires, it jumped to 345hp. This was also with 2 cats in my Y pipe and 1 cat in the intermediate pipe when I had to get the car through emissions before obd2 testing came out. Without the cats, later it did 373hp.

330hp is definitely not ok for those mods and that dyno. Unless you dyno at 5k feet above sea level in a hurricane.
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Old Nov 20, 2005 | 01:44 PM
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I did plugs and wires about 2 years ago, should i try to do them again? What plugs and wires do you recommend?

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Old Nov 20, 2005 | 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 98NBM_TransAm
I did plugs and wires about 2 years ago, should i try to do them again? What plugs and wires do you recommend?

stockers are good for replacement plug wires, no real sense in spending extra dough on something that works the same, I went through several taylors before I just said screw it and went back to stock. (taylors kept falling apart on me)


Do you have any friends wiht an ls6 intake that they would let you borrow? It definately does not look like you have a valve float issue as your hp is inear but your tq does drop off a bit early for that cam IMO.

Try the ls6 who knows maybe thats it.
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Old Nov 20, 2005 | 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 98NBM_TransAm
I did plugs and wires about 2 years ago, should i try to do them again? What plugs and wires do you recommend?
NGK TR55s. I use MSD or Taylor wires, I wasn't going back to stock wires since those crapped out on me already anyway.

I change the plugs every summer just to be safe.
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Old Nov 23, 2005 | 03:02 PM
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Yea valve float was one thing that i wasnt sure of, my springs have about 15k on them so they better not be failing already! I just ordered some wires and i'll get plugs this weekend when my friend works, gotta love discounts! then we'll redyno it maybe sometime next week so we'll see what it does, if it doesnt do much i'm just going to settle until i have the new motor built, its not like i get races in it anyway, scared of the lope, i'll keep you guys posted, thanks for all the help guys, i appreciate it
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Old Nov 23, 2005 | 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by kilr12
yeah,that's for everything.I cost me 4k to get 46 rwhp! not right.
I don't know if I would blame it on the Patriot heads. See my results below.

98NBM, I hope you get something figured out on this.
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Old Nov 23, 2005 | 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 98NBM_TransAm
Yea valve float was one thing that i wasnt sure of, my springs have about 15k on them so they better not be failing already! I just ordered some wires and i'll get plugs this weekend when my friend works, gotta love discounts! then we'll redyno it maybe sometime next week so we'll see what it does, if it doesnt do much i'm just going to settle until i have the new motor built, its not like i get races in it anyway, scared of the lope, i'll keep you guys posted, thanks for all the help guys, i appreciate it
Wait a second...you're running a 224 with stock springs?
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Old Nov 23, 2005 | 11:10 PM
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read his sig, 918s however why did you put 918s on without a cam? Valve springs can go bad after a while. Might want to change them and see if that helps. changed them on my friends car and it definately helped quite a bit.
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Old Nov 25, 2005 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JimTA
Wait a second...you're running a 224 with stock springs?
No, they are 918's

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read his sig, 918s however why did you put 918s on without a cam? Valve springs can go bad after a while. Might want to change them and see if that helps. changed them on my friends car and it definately helped quite a bit.
I didnt put them on w/out a cam, they went on when i put the TR 224 in, I didnt think they could go bad w/this small of a cam and 15k on them, thats pretty quick, and the car has only seen maybe 20 wot pulls in 15k.
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Old Nov 26, 2005 | 07:43 PM
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Get the LS6 intake and new lifters. Your call is not pulling at all. You should be pulling till at least 6k.
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 05:21 PM
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I just talked to the shop last week and they said that somone had messed w/the dyno and the scales were off (the hp and tq cross) so it should be higher, it goes into dyno wednesday again after i get these plugs and wires in so we'll see where its at, i'll keep you guys posted
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Old Nov 30, 2005 | 08:46 PM
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Well it went in today and did better, 342/348, the guys at the shop rocked, i guess that the intake and pulley is holding me back pretty good so those seem good to me, i'll get the graph up for anyone who is interested, run conditions were about the same. we figure the cam has timing ground into it hence the lower peak, but power down low so it doesnt seem there is actually anything 'wrong' w/the car, just an older type intake and bigger/heavy pulley. What do you guys think?

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Old Nov 30, 2005 | 08:59 PM
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Do you attribute the gains to the dyno or the plugs and wires?

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Old Nov 30, 2005 | 10:10 PM
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I say something may still be off...all dynos are different too. THe LS6 intake will definitely help you out. I guess you don't need to be too concerned with a motor in the works anyways huh?
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Old Dec 1, 2005 | 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Josh
Do you attribute the gains to the dyno or the plugs and wires?

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Plugs and wires, the dyno scales thing was didnt have any to do w/the power, something about rpm was misrepresented on the first graph

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I say something may still be off...all dynos are different too. THe LS6 intake will definitely help you out. I guess you don't need to be too concerned with a motor in the works anyways huh?
From what i gather, if the cam didnt have time ground into it it would peak higher, hence more power, but the graph shows good power downlow and maintains it till it peaks around 5800, yea new motor should fix it
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Old Dec 7, 2005 | 02:52 PM
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I'll be checking one more thing before i give up, i was told i could have bent my pushrods from hitting the limiter so many times from crappy tires (i've hit it hard, 6500 limit and banging it)
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