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Old May 12, 2006 | 12:32 AM
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Alright guys I went ahead and dyno'd the car with the following: 98 LS1 motor rebuilt, a Thunder Racing cam 220/220 .551/.551 114 LSA, stock LS1 heads decked, ported throttle body, LS1 intake, comp 918 valve springs w/ titanium retainers,thunder racing pushrods, EGR mod, a Pro Torque 2400-2800 stall converter (the way they listed the part number), Dynatec LT's w/catted Y and an SLP LM catback. I have not yet had it tuned and Thunder racing says this cam requires a tune, which I plan on doing...however is a tune going to help these numbers significantly or is something else wrong?? It is an A4 with a stall and no tune so I expected lower numbers but not this low. Any help would be appreciated as I've seen bolt on cars make better power than I'm making. Thanks!!! Sorry for big pic...tryed to resize and didn't work.
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Old May 12, 2006 | 02:53 AM
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1. Was the convertor locked during the the dyno run?
2. Ls1 intake is choking you
3. Tuning will make a huge difference
4. The catted Y is killing some power too.

Provided all of the above I think that its still a bit low but not bad, if you fix the above I think 360rwhp+ is deifintely doable...
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Old May 12, 2006 | 03:24 AM
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by the looks of your dyno sheet,it looks like your TQ was unlocked.if so your numbers aren't bad.and yes,the tune can make a big difference.with an LS6 intake and a tune i would expect a 30+ hp increase.
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Originally Posted by 66deuce
by the looks of your dyno sheet,it looks like your TQ was unlocked.if so your numbers aren't bad.and yes,the tune can make a big difference.with an LS6 intake and a tune i would expect a 30+ hp increase.
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Old May 12, 2006 | 12:33 PM
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^^^sounds reasonable rwtq man but i'm sure LS6 Intake , Pulley and tuning would give ya 30+hp

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Old May 12, 2006 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by foff667
i take it you don't agree.what numbers do you think he would gain with a tune/LS6 intake?
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Old May 12, 2006 | 01:18 PM
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when someone posts the "im with stupid" smiley it means they totally concur with what that person is saying...its just quicker then me saying "I totally agree with 66 Deuce on this one"
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Old May 12, 2006 | 02:05 PM
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Thanks guys!!! I'll be saving up somemore scratch for a tune and an LS6 manifold and see what happens. I assume I should wait to get the manifold before I tune??!! I guess that would make sense. Will a tune change how the torque converter locks up? I know the shift points can be adjusted as well as the firmness of shifts and rev limiter but does it affect the converter? I feel like a lot was left on the table with the converter not locked up.
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Old May 12, 2006 | 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by foff667
when someone posts the "im with stupid" smiley it means they totally concur with what that person is saying...its just quicker then me saying "I totally agree with 66 Deuce on this one"
i guess that went right over my head,lol.
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Old May 12, 2006 | 04:37 PM
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How's the drivability without the tune?
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Old May 12, 2006 | 11:53 PM
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Thats a pretty mild cam....
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Old May 13, 2006 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Kenny H
Thats a pretty mild cam....
yep,but it's a good little cam that has a broad power band.it won't make the big numbers up high,but is good for someone wanting a near stock idle and a decent increase in power from stock.
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Old May 13, 2006 | 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Torqued
How's the drivability without the tune?
Driveability without a tune is ok...not great. It surges and stalls at red lights if you leave it in gear. In reverse backing up it stalls alot also. At idle it does fine in neutral or park. It actually sounds like a bigger cam than it actually is...especially with the decked heads, LT's, and the loud mouth. The compression is up a bit with the heads. I drive this car everyday so I couldn't get crazy with the cam and stall $3+ dollars a gallon on a daily driver would empty my account. I drive 250 miles a week and get 16-17 miles a gallon...18 if I'm lucky on premium. I was told I could get 360rwhp pretty easy with that cam and stock heads. I guess if it was an M6 with an LS6 intake and a tune it would make that. I guess I'm shopping for underdrive pulleys, LS6 intake, and a tune now??!! There goes another grand. LOL!!
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Old May 14, 2006 | 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Walking-dead
Driveability without a tune is ok...not great. It surges and stalls at red lights if you leave it in gear. In reverse backing up it stalls alot also. At idle it does fine in neutral or park. It actually sounds like a bigger cam than it actually is...especially with the decked heads, LT's, and the loud mouth. The compression is up a bit with the heads. I drive this car everyday so I couldn't get crazy with the cam and stall $3+ dollars a gallon on a daily driver would empty my account. I drive 250 miles a week and get 16-17 miles a gallon...18 if I'm lucky on premium. I was told I could get 360rwhp pretty easy with that cam and stock heads. I guess if it was an M6 with an LS6 intake and a tune it would make that. I guess I'm shopping for underdrive pulleys, LS6 intake, and a tune now??!! There goes another grand. LOL!!
i would at least get it tuned,then you can get the intake at a later date.the increase in milage and drivability will be worth it.on the highway i get almost 22mpg,with similar mods as you.if i keep my foot out of it,lol.
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Another question...would that cam make a good forced induction cam? With 114LSA and it being a smaller cam? Still bigger than an LS6 cam. Just a thought.
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