Johny GTO

I dont understand something. ... RON@vengeance just put out a combo with similiar numbers to MIAMI933c297.

Everyone is calling poopoo on RON, but no one doubts MIAMI. I dont understand this. Why is that?


p.s. I am not doubting either of you, and i dont mean to call into question MIAMI's results. just curious about the contradiction.

Viper

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I'll take a stab at that.

Ron is in the business of making money.
A great business to be in.

Miami is not - he is strictly bragging rights.

Understand now?

Ron@Vengeance

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Viper nailed it on the head. If we post results that big we are inflating the #s to sell packages. If a customer posts the same results they get(well deserved) respect!!!

Funny thing is our packages have not only backed up their dyno #s all over the country, but they have run the # time and time again

Anyone see this months GMHTP with Project Pinkenstein featured? 10.90s @ 3400lbs with a **** converter.... TFS 215s/Vindicator camshaft

BTW, Im not taking ANYTHING away from Miami #s. We KNOW it can be done because we have done it several times ourselves.

Also, we are in the business of making money. BUT, this business is reputation based. If people see your stuff isnt legit or isnt running the # then they will go elsewhere so fudging dyno results will only get you so far.

Gh0st

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It's all about the Haterade. Too many people are drinking it.

landonew

Ron,
Have seen the graphs and they are REALLY impressive to a relative Newb such as myself. It is great to see you guys making this kind of power, and I think that it is pretty typical (and expected) for everyone to doubt it. Especially since many of them, myself included, simply already did our package. MY question is why not just take each of the customer's cars and to get corresponding numbers from say 3 different independent dynos? At around $60/session, that would be roughly $180 per vehicle, or around $540 altogether (assuming you guys couldn't get discounts which i am sure you could). This would be money well spent (almost like advertising). It would definately end any doubts that the nay sayers have. Anyway, keep up the good work and I look forward to seeing more great numbers from your shop!

Ron@Vengeance

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Been there done that... Posted a 500rwhp Vette on three different dynos. Had another CUSTOMER post his 503 graph from 2 different dynos. Had a 440 Z06 we built on 4 different dynos with ours being the lowest @ 609rwhp... It made as much as 622 on another dyno... Aside from dynos, our cars have run the # at the track

Mike@HSW

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I imagine the 6.5 foot decrease in sea level, .8 degree drop in temp, and alignment of saturn in relation to the earth would all have been reasons why people complained about your test. They seem to find any reason to doubt numbers. Doesnt make sense to me, even coming from a very well proven and respected sponser.

miami993c297

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Hi Johny GTO and everyone,

I find funny to see this thread coming up regularly...everything has been said and debated, at least I guess.

And NO, the results that Vengeance obtained with their mentioned ZO6 are very different of the results obtained from my engine, read the graphs:

-From 3100 rpm to 3600 rpm the Vengeance engine is producing 390 RWTQ
-From 3700 rpm to 4000 rpm you will read 400 + RWTQ, already very impressive
-Going over 450 RWTQ at 4400 rpm!!!!!!! That is simply magic with a 346 cid if you still make power at 6900 rpm and consider the car is still streetable!!!!!

With the power developed by this special engine between 6000 rpm and 7000 rpm plus the amount of torque down low, it has been very difficult for a lot of persons to admit that at Vengeance they could extract from a small cid what a lot of engine builders are not able to create with bigger cubes.

At the end, the results of my engine are exposed inside this forum in a detailed and documented thread (pics/vids/graphs/prices/facts and measurements) to inform any member interested, and not to argue or fight against I don't know who for complete obscur reasons...for me...

Have fun
Christian

Ron@Vengeance

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EDIT: Nevermind.... The car trapped 133mph and it is still "questionable" lmao..... Put it to bed guys.

ATLSS

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You bunch of dyno racers need to let this thread die already.

robz*

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There was no box on the poll for me.
I made 405rwtq when my heads/cam 03 Zo6 ran a best 132.8 mph.
Stock weight/suspension.

miami993c297

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Hi robz*,

I guess with 405rwtq your max power was around 475/480rwhp....

Then from where are coming those almost 133mph?
-Track conditions
-Density Altitude
-Tuning
-Drivetrain choice/ratio/tires
-Driver Ability and Skills.

BTW what was your max revs crossing the line?
Christian

brad8266

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robz*

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You are correct on the rwhp #'s.
I'm going thru the traps around 6900.
To trap 130+ with a strong ET and 60'(N/A) alot needs to come together including all the things you mentioned above.
I have about 20 timeslips trapping over 130mph.
I also have a few videos from 2005 showing 130mph trap speed with slicks and a good 60' time.(approx. 463whp/404wtq) Typically my car traps about 1-2 mph faster with drag radials.
There are alot of things claimed in this thread that I find very hard to believe.

miami993c297

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robz*,

The certitudes I had about the relation between the RWHP and the TRAP SPEED are now falling appart...big news, at least for me and from what I did learn here inside this forum

Following your real world results:

- You only need ~480rwhp in a 2003 ZO6 to trap 133mph
- You only need ~460rwhp in a 2003 ZO6 to trap 130mph

This is giving some new light to this thread...interesting.

Other thoughts/results from drag racers?

Christian

robz*

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I agree with the above and it's been done but you will need near ideal conditions and to be spot on with your shifting(timing/shift points/powershifts)

Most people discard the fact that driver also strongly influences mph.
I've seen differences of 6+ mph between two diffrenent drivers-same car/same day.

Keep in mind:
I'm specifically talking about manual transmissions.
These are best runs over many, many passes.
Vettes tend to mph higher than other cars for their respective ET's
These were all on slicks(dr's would likely have been slightly higher)

Also
124+mph with 396 rwhp
127 mph with 420 rwhp

robz*

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I agree with the above and it's been done but you will need near ideal conditions and to be spot on with your shifting(timing/shift points/powershifts)

Most people discard the fact that driver also strongly influences mph.
I've seen differences of 6+ mph between two diffrenent drivers-same car/same day.

Keep in mind:
I'm specifically talking about manual transmissions.
These are best runs over many, many passes.
I have some video showing mph.

AU N EGL

Now there is the BEST answer for differences.

Seat time and skill will beat Mods and dyno numbers EVERY TIME.

CraZee ZO6

yup the guys going fast and then people claiming that MPH for watever setup are really beating on their cars. Thats the perfect pass, perfect shifts and perfect launch at near limiter. I know the deal, I power shift too but I feel for the tranny LOL.

1.5 60 and perfect shifts will lead to all the times people claim.
I hope do it in a few weeks.

02NBMWS6

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so what is the highest torque ever from a NA 346/7 ?