Dyno results: MS4 + bolt ons
08-11-2007 | 03:34 PM
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Dyno results: MS4 + bolt ons got my car back from Williams performance today. here's what i have:
'04 LS6 bottom end, 6 speed tranny
MS4 cam
LS6 intake
GM LS6 ported heads
BBK throttle body, ported MAF, bellow, lid, k&n
jet hot long tubes, sweet thunder duals...everything else is in my sig
441.58 hp/385.07 tq sae corrected
what do you guys think?
'04 LS6 bottom end, 6 speed tranny
MS4 cam
LS6 intake
GM LS6 ported heads
BBK throttle body, ported MAF, bellow, lid, k&n
jet hot long tubes, sweet thunder duals...everything else is in my sig
441.58 hp/385.07 tq sae corrected
what do you guys think?
Last edited by raginazn616; 08-28-2007 at 07:27 PM.
08-22-2007 | 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by raginazn616
anybody have any ideas as to why my torque is so much lower? i only gained 30rwtq over my old setup that made 358rwhp.
I'll take a stab at it and say due to your compression numbers. I'll bet your DCR is fine but I'll bet your SCR is less then 11 to 1. Mill those heads and/or go with a thinner gasket and bump up your compression. I'll venture to say that if you get your SCR to around 11.4 to 1 maybe a touch more you will see a nice jump in torque. Most likely jump to 400-405 rwtq.
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08-22-2007 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by BRAKE
NICE!!!!
I'd also like to know how the heads flow.
I'd also like to know how the heads flow.
here's a link to the heads. i didn't pay for them though, i definitely would've went another route, but they're just right for the price ($0...came with motor)
08-27-2007 | 12:58 AM
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I have yet to really be impressed with ms4 numbers. I think you have good numbers but that cam just doesn't seem to work as well as the ms3. With tsp ls6 stage 1.5 and a ms3 my gto through a auto made 441hp 403tq through a loose converter.
08-27-2007 | 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by 1MEANGTO
I have yet to really be impressed with ms4 numbers. I think you have good numbers but that cam just doesn't seem to work as well as the ms3. With tsp ls6 stage 1.5 and a ms3 my gto through a auto made 441hp 403tq through a loose converter.
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2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
08-27-2007 | 08:46 AM
#13
Originally Posted by raginazn616
anybody have any ideas as to why my torque is so much lower? i only gained 30rwtq over my old setup that made 358rwhp.
I sure hope you fly cut your pistons with these heads and that cam...
08-27-2007 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Patrick G
Was this with your LS2 or your LS1? The added cubes from the LS2 would give you a 25 rwhp advantage over an LS1.
08-29-2007 | 02:47 AM
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sorry, but arent these numbers a tad low?
I was told with:
Tv3, 5.3 stage 2.5 heads, LT, TD, lid, t/b, udp, aluminum fw, and moser 12 bolt I can see 440 - 450 rwhp. isnt the ms4 supposed to give quite some more hp than the tv3?
I was told with:
Tv3, 5.3 stage 2.5 heads, LT, TD, lid, t/b, udp, aluminum fw, and moser 12 bolt I can see 440 - 450 rwhp. isnt the ms4 supposed to give quite some more hp than the tv3?
08-29-2007 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by LSGunZ28
sorry, but arent these numbers a tad low?
I was told with:
Tv3, 5.3 stage 2.5 heads, LT, TD, lid, t/b, udp, aluminum fw, and moser 12 bolt I can see 440 - 450 rwhp. isnt the ms4 supposed to give quite some more hp than the tv3?
I was told with:
Tv3, 5.3 stage 2.5 heads, LT, TD, lid, t/b, udp, aluminum fw, and moser 12 bolt I can see 440 - 450 rwhp. isnt the ms4 supposed to give quite some more hp than the tv3?
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2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
2013 Corvette Grand Sport A6 LME forged 416, Greg Good ported TFS 255 LS3 heads, 222/242 .629"/.604" 121LSA Pat G blower cam, ARH 1 7/8" headers, ESC Novi 1500 Supercharger w/8 rib direct drive conversion, 747rwhp/709rwtq on 93 octane, 801rwhp/735rwtq on race fuel, 10.1 @ 147.25mph 1/4 mile, 174.7mph Half Mile.
2016 Corvette Z51 M7 Magnuson Heartbeat 2300 supercharger, TSP LT headers, Pat G tuned, 667rwhp, 662rwtq, 191mph TX Mile.
2009.5 Pontiac G8 GT 6.0L, A6, AFR 230v2 heads. 506rwhp/442rwtq. 11.413 @ 121.29mph 1/4 mile, 168.7mph TX Mile
2000 Pewter Ram Air Trans Am M6 heads/cam 508 rwhp/445 rwtq SAE, 183.092 TX Mile
2022 Cadillac Escalade 6.2L A10 S&B CAI, Corsa catback.
2023 Corvette 3LT Z51 soon to be modified.
Custom LSX tuning in person or via email press here.
08-29-2007 | 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by LSGunZ28
sorry, but arent these numbers a tad low?
I was told with:
Tv3, 5.3 stage 2.5 heads, LT, TD, lid, t/b, udp, aluminum fw, and moser 12 bolt I can see 440 - 450 rwhp. isnt the ms4 supposed to give quite some more hp than the tv3?
I was told with:
Tv3, 5.3 stage 2.5 heads, LT, TD, lid, t/b, udp, aluminum fw, and moser 12 bolt I can see 440 - 450 rwhp. isnt the ms4 supposed to give quite some more hp than the tv3?
With cam close to TV3 and TSP 5.3 2.5 Heads Patrick G tuned a customer's car that made close to 450rwTQ and 460+rwhp
you cant use milled heads with MS4 Without flycutting.
Great numbers and enjoy the car man.
Last edited by Patrick G; 08-29-2007 at 09:05 AM. Reason: Just getting the info closer.