1998 Trans Am vs. RSX Type-S
02-06-2009, 09:04 PM
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Ok... so swap an LS1 into a 3rd gen and maybe run 12s. Different strokes for different folks man, no need to bash people because they go a different route than you.
02-07-2009, 11:57 AM
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02-11-2009, 01:34 AM
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and my bone stock third gen is a daily driver
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02-11-2009, 01:36 AM
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you dont have to in a 3rd/4thgen...plenty of 4gen f-bodys keep there ls-1 motors and run elevens and there are alot of lt-1's and TPI's running 11's or faster its been happening long before the import craze took over american kids .......no TYPE-R,JDM ,X-SPEC,SPOON,DSM,70PSIm,Paul Walker mod, Pikachu stage 7 lighting blast, swap needed
02-11-2009, 09:44 AM
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And there are plenty of guys in CRXs and Civic hatchbacks running 11s and 12s with their stock motors too. Doesn't change the fact that you are backtracking now because you said something stupid. These people that swap in some uber-special motor and run 13s didn't "have" to do it to run that fast. They did so because they chose to. Just like if I did swap a stock LS1 into a 3rd gen (or a stock 351W into a foxbody) and ran 12s or 13s. There's always a cheaper way to do something.
02-11-2009, 10:48 AM
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But that still isn't even the point. GMmexican was trying to be a smartass talking trash about Honda owners who do engine swaps and "can't even get 11s," when there are PLENTY of people out there with RWD/V8/domestics that do the same thing. Many of whom are on this site.
02-11-2009, 11:02 AM
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But that still isn't even the point. GMmexican was trying to be a smartass talking trash about Honda owners who do engine swaps and "can't even get 11s," when there are PLENTY of people out there with RWD/V8/domestics that do the same thing. Many of whom are on this site.
you can bench race and throw magazine numbers around all you want but until you do it for reals in person it doesnt mean ****, yes i know there are alot of fast imports out there i give credit where credit is due but it takes more work to make an import fast than an ls-1
02-11-2009, 11:11 AM
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ok let me rephrase this, when domestic guys especially guys on this website do motor swaps(408,LSX,427) its because they want to run very ****** fast (10's or faster), other wise whats the point of swapping a motor. when import guys do this most of the time its only to turn a 18sec car into a 12 second car. Go big or go home, your an import fan boy just like 25psi that jumps into every thread to start a flame war, how many engine swaps have you physically done and how many times have you been to the track to see results first hand?
you can bench race and throw magazine numbers around all you want but until you do it for reals in person it doesnt mean ****, yes i know there are alot of fast imports out there i give credit where credit is due but it takes more work to make an import fast than an ls-1
you can bench race and throw magazine numbers around all you want but until you do it for reals in person it doesnt mean ****, yes i know there are alot of fast imports out there i give credit where credit is due but it takes more work to make an import fast than an ls-1
02-11-2009, 11:20 AM
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Hmm..ls1s run 11s without engine swaps but of course not stock. Heads,cam ,headers and bolt ons ,usually deep into the 10s on spray with like 150 shot and the above mods.
Not seeing very many NA hondas at local track running 11s fact don't think seen any with just a honda motor swap. Seen a few hondas running 11s with big turbos on various engine combos.and a supercharged de sol running mid 12s not sure if its an engine swap.
So not sure what the point of all this is. Most hondas except for a very few models are slow..pathetically slow stock. I have beat many with my 08 montana minvan stock which is pretty slow. So its a given to make most hondas decently fast takes a turbo usually, lots of spray and most normal mods on the honda engines don't do a whole lot..intake,head,cam. not compared to normal NA mods on an ls1 which can do over 500 engine hp pretty easily with normal NA mods..heads/cam/headers/bolt ons. And if you go wild even hit mid 500 to 600 range. Talking standard displacement 346 .Course more displacement lsx can go way higher.
But of course the hondas have a big advantage in weight. Most are very light. So it requires less power to start to go pretty quick. Generally of course the powerband is pretty awful with no much torque and not really that much power until high rpm. Leaving a pretty crappy street power band but one that is not too bad for racing.
But to repeat rather have a slow f body than a fast honda anyday. Just don't think they are that impressive. Now if honda started to put out some factory turbo single or twin cars that looked like the nsx and maybe an awd option as well then would be more interested in them.
Not seeing very many NA hondas at local track running 11s fact don't think seen any with just a honda motor swap. Seen a few hondas running 11s with big turbos on various engine combos.and a supercharged de sol running mid 12s not sure if its an engine swap.
So not sure what the point of all this is. Most hondas except for a very few models are slow..pathetically slow stock. I have beat many with my 08 montana minvan stock which is pretty slow. So its a given to make most hondas decently fast takes a turbo usually, lots of spray and most normal mods on the honda engines don't do a whole lot..intake,head,cam. not compared to normal NA mods on an ls1 which can do over 500 engine hp pretty easily with normal NA mods..heads/cam/headers/bolt ons. And if you go wild even hit mid 500 to 600 range. Talking standard displacement 346 .Course more displacement lsx can go way higher.
But of course the hondas have a big advantage in weight. Most are very light. So it requires less power to start to go pretty quick. Generally of course the powerband is pretty awful with no much torque and not really that much power until high rpm. Leaving a pretty crappy street power band but one that is not too bad for racing.
But to repeat rather have a slow f body than a fast honda anyday. Just don't think they are that impressive. Now if honda started to put out some factory turbo single or twin cars that looked like the nsx and maybe an awd option as well then would be more interested in them.
02-11-2009, 11:23 AM
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Hmm..ls1s run 11s without engine swaps but of course not stock. Heads,cam ,headers and bolt ons ,usually deep into the 10s on spray with like 150 shot and the above mods.
Not seeing very many NA hondas at local track running 11s fact don't think seen any with just a honda motor swap. Seen a few hondas running 11s with big turbos on various engine combos.and a supercharged de sol running mid 12s not sure if its an engine swap.
So not sure what the point of all this is. Most hondas except for a very few models are slow..pathetically slow stock. I have beat many with my 08 montana minvan stock which is pretty slow. So its a given to make most hondas decently fast takes a turbo usually, lots of spray and most normal mods on the honda engines don't do a whole lot..intake,head,cam. not compared to normal NA mods on an ls1 which can do over 500 engine hp pretty easily with normal NA mods..heads/cam/headers/bolt ons. And if you go wild even hit mid 500 to 600 range. Talking standard displacement 346 .Course more displacement lsx can go way higher.
But of course the hondas have a big advantage in weight. Most are very light. So it requires less power to start to go pretty quick. Generally of course the powerband is pretty awful with no much torque and not really that much power until high rpm. Leaving a pretty crappy street power band but one that is not too bad for racing.
But to repeat rather have a slow f body than a fast honda anyday. Just don't think they are that impressive. Now if honda started to put out some factory turbo single or twin cars that looked like the nsx and maybe an awd option as well then would be more interested in them.
Not seeing very many NA hondas at local track running 11s fact don't think seen any with just a honda motor swap. Seen a few hondas running 11s with big turbos on various engine combos.and a supercharged de sol running mid 12s not sure if its an engine swap.
So not sure what the point of all this is. Most hondas except for a very few models are slow..pathetically slow stock. I have beat many with my 08 montana minvan stock which is pretty slow. So its a given to make most hondas decently fast takes a turbo usually, lots of spray and most normal mods on the honda engines don't do a whole lot..intake,head,cam. not compared to normal NA mods on an ls1 which can do over 500 engine hp pretty easily with normal NA mods..heads/cam/headers/bolt ons. And if you go wild even hit mid 500 to 600 range. Talking standard displacement 346 .Course more displacement lsx can go way higher.
But of course the hondas have a big advantage in weight. Most are very light. So it requires less power to start to go pretty quick. Generally of course the powerband is pretty awful with no much torque and not really that much power until high rpm. Leaving a pretty crappy street power band but one that is not too bad for racing.
But to repeat rather have a slow f body than a fast honda anyday. Just don't think they are that impressive. Now if honda started to put out some factory turbo single or twin cars that looked like the nsx and maybe an awd option as well then would be more interested in them.
