DoggyB22

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well my friend just bought a stock 96 mustang gt and beat a stock dodge stealth and now he thinks its all fast.... (usual) but anyway i know ill KILL him if i raced him now. but he said he wants to race when he gets an exhaust, CAI, T/B, MAF, clutch, short shifter, chip and tune.

what do you guys think my chances are if i raced him with my mods (in sig) vs him with those mods? i think it will be close but still no match?
thanks...

Irunelevens

It's not even going to be close. He could get full exhaust (with LTs), intake, 4.10s, and a good tune and he might break into the 13s. Tell him to get a PI intake manifold first and foremost. That alone will give him around 20rwhp.

Spiers

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Like he said, not even close.

stangslayer98

i test drove a 98 mustang gt a while back, it felt like a normal car nothing impressive.....the svt contour i had, had way more *****

Irunelevens

Unless you were driving an automatic convertible GT, no it didn't. Might have felt like it did, but it didn't.

99_Z28

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Tell him he can bolt on parts to that motor until the cows come home, that roach couldnt beat eggs nevermind a all mighty LS1!

ponygt65

Uh....CSVT's are low mid 15s just like non-pi stangs. Given the weight diff, and FWD of the CSVT I can see the SOTP difference, but they are just as quick as a 96-98 GT.
He's an idiot. only chance he has is PI swap, PLUS all those mods, PLUS gears.

He's gonna get his *** ripped two ways from Tuesday.

Irunelevens

I know, hence me saying that the CSVT didn't have "way more *****" than the Mustang . And if it was a late-year 5spd GT with the 3.27s, it's hand-down quicker than a CSVT.

AznMuscle

iTrader: (7)

Butt rape. Prision style. No lube. My friend has a 90 with intake and exhaust, and swears the old owner had 300 hp dyno sheets. No...no it didn't. Those things have nice torque...and that is it. 2nd gear falls on its face, let alone 3rd and 4th.

stangslayer98

I test drove a 98 5 speed gt coupe, what do they have 215 hp. The csvt was a 2000 had 200hp and probably weighs less. I ran a 14.0 with a 75 shot and off-road pipe, filter

Irunelevens

The '98 GTs had 225hp. And about half of the 5spds had 3.27s (as opposed to 3.08s). The 5spds that had 3.27s were mid-high 14s cars. But even the 3.08-equipped cars ran high 14s. The SVT Contours were low 15s on a good day. So while your modified Contour might have been faster, a stock one is not.

stangslayer98

I don't know maybe I drove a lemon who knows. But the 98 did feel slow, I've owned older fox bodies that where stock that also felt like pulled better

Irunelevens

Some people's butt-dynos just don't work too well.

tacklebox

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Don't you need the PI heads also to do that intake swap? I've thought about doing that with my daily driver 97 cougar 4.6L.

ponygt65

I disagree on teh pretence that in 'generalities' the cars run very similar times. I also have never heard of a non-pi 3.27 geared stock GT running mid 14s. Not saying it hasn't happend, just saying if it has, certainly not the norm. Whereas low 15s in a 00+ csvt is.


Oh wait, are we really discussing 14.5-15.5 cars?....

Yep. SOTP is VERY deceiving.

ponygt65

Yes, you have to do the HI together.

Unless there's a 'mod' that I've never come across.

Irunelevens

You don't have to do the heads to do the intake. It will bolt up to the non-PI heads just fine. Some people use "adapter plates" so the ports will match up perfectly, but it's not necessary. I had a PI intake manifold and PI cams on my old 3.27-equipped '98 GT. Which I think was probably a ~14.7-14.8 car stock.

MY99TAWS6

iTrader: (3)

Your car should be able to hit low 13s if you heat up those nittos.2.0 60fts should be doable on them. Your tires will be a big help. It should not be very close as everyone has said. You have nearly 400engine hp with your lid now ,lids help a lot good bang for the buck mod.
Other tips which are not really cheating. Have no passengers, take out spare tire and jack. Run 1/4 tank of fuel. Might as well beat him as badly as possible. Have fun and take some movies.Be safe though or do it at track.

RaggedRides

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I had a friend with an AODE'd '96. With an H-pipe, flows, CAI, Trickflow plenum and tune it mustered 189rwhp that'd have a Dodge Caravan shaking in it's boots. The car also had 3.73s and ran 14.3s at the strip. After the PI top end swap and shorties, he made 238rwhp. I don't remember the torque numbers. It wasn't that quick, but sure as could fool your buttcheeks into thinking so.

For what it's worth, another friend of mine had a stick shifted '92 GT with 180,000 on the clock. That car peg-legged it's way to 14.4s with nothing but an H-pipe, flows, and a broken limited-slip. 60s were in the 2.3 range.

Irunelevens

And the moral of that story is that the AOD-E sucks *****