soundengineer

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Manuel????
Are you talking about the Hispanic guy driving the Automatic?

98TADRIVER

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lol hispanic or american, advantage-> automatic w/ stall

soundengineer

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not if you have the right stall in your car
if you have a small stall or a stock stall... yes... the M6 will win every time assuming the rest of the car is identical in power curve and weight

however... I have no problems beating manual transmission cars....
Proper stall to put me in the powerband immediately, plus torque multiplication = faster than an M6....

now... if we get into the discussion of a clutchless Manual.. like a liberty that has been faceplated....the liberty is going to win most of the time if its set up properly.

01ssreda4

iTrader: (96)

I say that because the M6 guys always trap higher at the track, and well numbers don't lie. However, when i say roll I usually mean a 4k hit and up, which takes away a lot of the stall's advantage.

soundengineer

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I dont know what the hell you are talking about there (in red)
4k and up and you are toast vs me....
4800~5000 stall will eat your *** alive

and m6 guys dont trap any higher MPH than an auto guy does when the power out of the rear is the same.
power out of the engine is the same, of course the m6 will trap higher MPH... more parasitic loss thru the auto, but theres also a better ET thru an auto because you put more average torque over time thru the rearend.

silverz28camaro

iTrader: (20)

The 4l60e 134lbs
The 4l80e 184lbs

The normal 9.5 in 60e converter 33lbs
The normal stall for 80e? not sure but I do think they are also 5-10lbs heavier even at the same 9.5 rating?? I need someone to weigh a 80e converter

So 50lbs minimun, possibly 60-65lbs?

I have yet to weigh a T56 but I think the t56 (without clutch, clutch pedal,) might be a few lbs lighter then a 60e, guessing 15-20

HioSSilver

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No way there is that much difference. All that proved is your not very good with a stick.

If both cars has comparable mods there is not alot of difference.
examples
stall = light weight/drag clutch
shift kit = faceplated
each need to be geared independently for best results.

The difference is the manual car if it's a f-body will need a rear. All stick cars will need a little more work on the set-up for ultimate performance.

Auto has it's advantages in consistency.

lemons12

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I have never personally seen someone launch as hard in an M6 fbody as my stalled auto.. Not even the "race cars" that I have seen run (I'm talking even some what similar set ups).. I cut 1.50.152s barely spinning with a nitrous tune 2200+DA on a budget H/C setup that was 100% a full weight street car (small cam, 317s hand ported/etc)..

You would be hard pressed to find even 1 guy out of 100 that could cut a quicker 60' than that. I'm expecting low-mid 1.4Xs on the new setup, still nothing special. Consistency isn't all thy have.
You can say it is easier/harder for either one... That is irrelevant while racing. Fact the stalled auto 99.999% of the time will 60' harder.

soundengineer

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many cars will routinely see .4 to .5 seconds faster in the 1/4 mile just from going from stock Manual to Auto transmission with a properly sized stall

a change in gearing advantage, plus the ability to transfer more torque to the ground over a longer period of time, will always net you a faster ET

go from a 3.42 to a 4.11 and tell me you dont see a good drop in your overall ET, then add the benefits of a Stall converter and tell me you dont see more drop in ET...


T56 2.66 1.78 1.30 1.00 0.74 0.50

total gear with a 3.42
T56 9.10 6.09 4.45 3.42 2.53 1.71

total gear with a 4.11
T56 10.93 7.32 5.34 4.11 3.04 2.06



TCI 6x 2.97 2.23 1.57 1.18 1.00 0.75

total gear ratio with a 3.42
TCI 6x 10.16 7.63 5.37 4.04 3.42 2.57




Distinct gear advantge with my TCI 6x that is close to changing from a 3.42 up to a 4.11
plus the mechanical advantage of adding a 4800 stall

half a second increase is very easily achieved

lemons12

iTrader: (71)

You don't need a shift kit to cut a killer 60' in an average setup.

02SOMWS6

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the first run is a 1.38 60ft

02SOMWS6

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I'm a stick guy but my vote for this thread would go to the auto. In the back of my mind I'm pretty sure my car would be quicker auto but I could never change it. I have too much fun banging the gears and driving along and being able to dump the clutch and lay the car sideways at 50mph+

soundengineer

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dont be a wussy....
get a big stall and accomplish the same thing..

James@ShorTuning

Not everyone is capable of driving a stickshift to its abilities. 9/10 times the auto will be faster... I know of a few drivers that would make all your jaws drop behind the 6spd!

lemons12

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You are in the 1% IMO.. Few and far between people can make an M6 perform like that.

02SOMWS6

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I make my own jaw drop...LOL

HioSSilver

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I've went from 3.42 to a 4.11 before. I saw just over a tenth and +1mph. No huge advantage, I ended up taking some gear out(went to 3.90's) and went faster. I actually would'nt mind trying a 3.73. Any benefit a auto has is in the first 330'. At some point in drag racing it seems cars go back to a standard type trans, be it a Linco(?) or whatever else is availible.
Not for 60'...to keep it alive.

Roarin_8

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I voted auto, I have yet to see an M6 Fbod with 313rwhp hit lower than 12.3 Can imagine it would be even better with a vette with it's lighter weight.