Those MA law making bastards are at it again
04-25-2011, 02:56 PM
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Those MA law making bastards are at it again Trying to push new legislation along to ban Loud, aftermarket exhausts. Please Join me in writing letters against this ridiculousness. LINK http://echo.bluehornet.com/hostedema...D56C4E18D7EEF5
04-25-2011, 03:05 PM
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A bill (H.B. 952) to ban the “use and sale of any exhaust pipe that increases the sound emission of any vehicle including motorcycles” has been reintroduced in the Massachusetts State Legislature by Representative Theodore Speliotis (Theodore.Speliotis@mahouse.gov). An identical bill was introduced in 2009 by the same sponsor and was set aside for study without any committee consideration.
Of course he's a ******* Democrat....
Of course he's a ******* Democrat....
04-25-2011, 07:25 PM
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wow their doing this again. i remember when they pushed for it in 2009. my service manager and all the techs went to a meeting to sign letters that were gona be sent in to stop this crap. they should focus their time on more important things.
04-25-2011, 07:52 PM
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Thats total bs. And not just for people that are doing it for performance reasons either. Im sure a replacement system (midas speedy etc) for a 4 cyl sedan is louder than factory if only a little. That would force everyone do get exhaust done at the dealer. That would suck.
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04-25-2011, 10:21 PM
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i ******* hate massachusetts !!!!!! isnt there anything else they can do with there time other than try and **** ppl out of what we like to do. i can kinda understand some of the bikes are pretty loud but other than that i see more ricers with loud shitty exhaust ....maybe thats what they should ban is ricer exhaust 
makes me feel like ripping off my mufflers and running around in front of the courts w straight pipes even though i would get a ticket
makes me feel like ripping off my mufflers and running around in front of the courts w straight pipes even though i would get a ticket 
04-26-2011, 07:03 AM
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this almost goes against the right to repair act...basically limiting you to oem parts..but the right to repair says you should beable to choose who does the work...am i right on this...midas isnt gona use oem parts...i duno time to move out of mass
04-26-2011, 07:55 AM
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This again... I think in all the years I've been on this board I've seen it come up every year.
Here's a new one from the NY times. Listen to this kinda BS.
Senator Eyes Collector Cars as Revenue Source
New York Times article Mar.28, 2011
Auto Enthusiasts who dodge taxes are in Schumer's crosshairs
Washington, D.C. - AP. Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY) held a press conference today in the Capitol's rotunda and stated that he is in the process of drafting a bill that will create a federal tax on all collector, antique, historic, special interest, hot rods and race cars. "This country is operating at a huge budget deficit," said Senator Schumer, "thanks to the previous administration's failure to seek new sources of revenue. We can no longer continue to just raise the taxes we already have. We are reaching the point of diminishing returns. We must find new sources of revenue. "There are more than one million collector cars in this country,"said Schumer, "and many of them are unregistered and untaxed. These vehicles represent sometimes sizeable assets which often appreciate from sale to sale. Much of these capital gains remain untaxed. It's about time these collectorsdumall of whom are richdumbegin to pay their fair share. I've never heard of a poor person owning a Corvette, Ferrari, Deusenberg or Cobra." Citing the results of this year's automobile auctions in Scottsdale, Arizona as an example,where reported sales were in the tens of millions of dollars, Schumer said, "We're not talking about rusty old clunkers, here. Some of these cars represent the pinnacle of automotive history. Collectors who buy and sell them often do so privately. Some transactions are in cash and others include trades. All of these are under the Internal Revenue Service's radar. Well, that will soon end."Each state has different laws and requirements for collector cars. Those which tax them as personal property often use outdated values. An owner can pay taxes on a car the state determines is worth $5,000 and then turn around and sell it for $100,000 or more. Until now, all of this has been the purview of each state. Schumer's law will sidestep all state laws by levying a federal tax in addition to anything the individual states do. This new federal tax will be similar to the present federal tax on gasoline, which is in addition to whatever a state assesses. Part of the Schumer law includes the IRS opening up a special department to deal with collector cars. Values will be calculated annually and owners will be required to list all cars they own on their 1040 tax form. Because not all vehicles are registered, and thus may not be known to the individual states' motor vehicles departmentsdumespecially race cars which are not driven on public roadsdumthe IRS will make use of the existing network of individual collector car enthusiast organizations across the country. Many of these car clubs maintain accurate registries which detail each car by its vehicle identification number and present or last known owner and their location. Assembling an all-inclusive federal database in conjunction with these registries will be one of the first steps in implementing the new law. Once the database of owners is cross-referenced with an annual index of current collector car values, every collector or race car in the country can be taxed at a fair rate. Initially, Schumer says, it will be 10% but that would rise depending on the type of car, number produced and condition. "Collectors are willing to pay more for certain cars," said Schumer, "because of their history or the small number that were produced. These factors increase a vehicle's worth to buyers, so why should these cars not be taxed at a higher rate? It's no different than our current progressive income tax rate." It is estimated that an annual 10% tax on all collector cars presently owned by American taxpayersdumat their prevailing market valuedumwould be more than $250,000,000. In four years the coffers of the federal government could be fattened by a billion dollars. "That's only a conservative estimate," said Schumer. "Nobody knows exactly how many collector cars are out there. But by this time next year, WE will know. Owners of these cars will finally have to pay up.Their free ridedumon the backs of the poordumis over."
Here's a new one from the NY times. Listen to this kinda BS.
Senator Eyes Collector Cars as Revenue Source
New York Times article Mar.28, 2011
Auto Enthusiasts who dodge taxes are in Schumer's crosshairs
Washington, D.C. - AP. Senator Charles Schumer (D-NY) held a press conference today in the Capitol's rotunda and stated that he is in the process of drafting a bill that will create a federal tax on all collector, antique, historic, special interest, hot rods and race cars. "This country is operating at a huge budget deficit," said Senator Schumer, "thanks to the previous administration's failure to seek new sources of revenue. We can no longer continue to just raise the taxes we already have. We are reaching the point of diminishing returns. We must find new sources of revenue. "There are more than one million collector cars in this country,"said Schumer, "and many of them are unregistered and untaxed. These vehicles represent sometimes sizeable assets which often appreciate from sale to sale. Much of these capital gains remain untaxed. It's about time these collectorsdumall of whom are richdumbegin to pay their fair share. I've never heard of a poor person owning a Corvette, Ferrari, Deusenberg or Cobra." Citing the results of this year's automobile auctions in Scottsdale, Arizona as an example,where reported sales were in the tens of millions of dollars, Schumer said, "We're not talking about rusty old clunkers, here. Some of these cars represent the pinnacle of automotive history. Collectors who buy and sell them often do so privately. Some transactions are in cash and others include trades. All of these are under the Internal Revenue Service's radar. Well, that will soon end."Each state has different laws and requirements for collector cars. Those which tax them as personal property often use outdated values. An owner can pay taxes on a car the state determines is worth $5,000 and then turn around and sell it for $100,000 or more. Until now, all of this has been the purview of each state. Schumer's law will sidestep all state laws by levying a federal tax in addition to anything the individual states do. This new federal tax will be similar to the present federal tax on gasoline, which is in addition to whatever a state assesses. Part of the Schumer law includes the IRS opening up a special department to deal with collector cars. Values will be calculated annually and owners will be required to list all cars they own on their 1040 tax form. Because not all vehicles are registered, and thus may not be known to the individual states' motor vehicles departmentsdumespecially race cars which are not driven on public roadsdumthe IRS will make use of the existing network of individual collector car enthusiast organizations across the country. Many of these car clubs maintain accurate registries which detail each car by its vehicle identification number and present or last known owner and their location. Assembling an all-inclusive federal database in conjunction with these registries will be one of the first steps in implementing the new law. Once the database of owners is cross-referenced with an annual index of current collector car values, every collector or race car in the country can be taxed at a fair rate. Initially, Schumer says, it will be 10% but that would rise depending on the type of car, number produced and condition. "Collectors are willing to pay more for certain cars," said Schumer, "because of their history or the small number that were produced. These factors increase a vehicle's worth to buyers, so why should these cars not be taxed at a higher rate? It's no different than our current progressive income tax rate." It is estimated that an annual 10% tax on all collector cars presently owned by American taxpayersdumat their prevailing market valuedumwould be more than $250,000,000. In four years the coffers of the federal government could be fattened by a billion dollars. "That's only a conservative estimate," said Schumer. "Nobody knows exactly how many collector cars are out there. But by this time next year, WE will know. Owners of these cars will finally have to pay up.Their free ridedumon the backs of the poordumis over."
Well its time to back half the car, stick the big slicks on ,uncork the headers, put a rejection sticker on it and get some dealer plates.
04-26-2011, 10:01 AM
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They weasled a law like this through here in Maine last year. They have the law worded so vague it doesn't make any sense. No decibel level is specified so if the LEO is having a bad day you can get a ticket for pretty much anything. Im pretty sure they did this so you can't fight it. No one seems to care though I see loud cars here all the time with brand new inspection stickers and haven't seen or heard cops giving any grief unless its obnoxiously loud.
Its funny schumer says they need more money, he makes it sound as though all that money will go right towards the deficit. Wrong!, we have a spending problem not an income problem. The more money we give them the more they will spend.
Its funny schumer says they need more money, he makes it sound as though all that money will go right towards the deficit. Wrong!, we have a spending problem not an income problem. The more money we give them the more they will spend.
04-26-2011, 10:54 AM
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Hows those progressive politicians working out for ya up in MA? All of New England isnt to far off from government run everything. I hate CT but I hate MA even more. No way are they going to make me buy government run healthcare if I dont want to. Over my dead body! What does this have to do with controlling sound levels? It all comes down to progressives who want to change the USA vs true conservatives who are educated on why this is the greatest nation on earth and wanna get back to the things that made us that way. How many voted for Obuma falling for his "hope and change" bullshit? Yea, you didnt realise his hope and change was to transform the greatest nation on earth into a bunch of socialists sucking off the government tit until it goes to far into debt that we are forced into one global currency. Bush was bad but not even close to Obuma. If you have had it and you refuse to see our USA get any worse do what I did...get envolved with the Tea Party and let those politicians know that they work for us! The Nov elections last year were not a coincidence. We cleaned house on those SOBS. Same will happen next election.
Sorry for the rant but if anyone thinks the noise level issue isnt political then I guess its hopless lol
Sorry for the rant but if anyone thinks the noise level issue isnt political then I guess its hopless lol
04-26-2011, 11:07 AM
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I thought that was always a law in M.A. I remember I went to a meet/cruise in Mansfield back in the early 2000's and the State Troopers pulled us all over(like 30 cars) and gave everyone form M.A. with an aftermarket exhaust a ticket.