07 Cobra- LSx Killer?
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First off...Mr B. A twin screw supercharger. Imagine taking two large "screws" with the same thread pitch and roll them together. Now make two screws with only two or three threads, almost like the shape of a drill bit. Now roll them together. You create low pressure areas where the thread separates, this is your intake. As the threads come together, they compress the air down the shaft of the threads, until they reach your discharge port. This is a far more efficiant design for high boost, but it is less efficient at low boost, and produces a very hard "hit" when it comes into its efficiency. Thats why most factory systems are "lobe" type, and not screw. The twin screw can be spun very hard, and will keep intake temps down too.
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Next...comparing a stang to a vette is stupid, as brad said. Vette wins. End of story. But it is all we have, unless you consider the GT, but at 100K+ you are not going to see many on the street. Now I don't want to re-read all these threads, but a S/C motor ALWAYS produces a stronger power curve. (I mean with a blower, not turbo) And it is that power under the curve that gets you down the track. Also, while you can add a blower to your ls2....it is going to cost you 6-8grand. Cobra's can just change pullies, or go with a bigger blower for 3grand, cause the manifolds and I/C is already there. Also, the cobras come factory with H-beam rods and forged internals. 6-700HP on a cobra motor is nothing. Try that with a lsx for any length of time. I will agree that generally chev has had ford covered as far as performance. But if you take the vette/GT out of the equation....times are good for ford right now.
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From: East Side Performance! mASShole
i made 600 for about 20k hard miles and my car never missed a beat. the cobra is a great overall car, but if you want to compare use to be, then say in o2 a new z28 was 26k and a new cobra was 35k, take the money from the savings and bye bye cobra. now take a cobra at 35k and compair it to a vett at 45k, now put the savings into a cobra and bye bye vett. so realy it came down to personal prefrence. now it comes down to chevy isnt making anything nice right now so ford wins.
I agree GM wont have anything to compete w/this car so it will be a big hit but a 05 GT is 26 to 30 now so there is NO way a Cobra will be 30.Once the ooooh factor wears off the car will be 38 out the door and thats a steal....
GM charges $$$$$$ for hp so dont expect them to counter w/a 427 Camaro.
I love GM but there gonna get there butts kicked in the next few yrs.
What happens if Dodge comes out w/a RWD 6.1 Cuda..
GM will have nothing to compete...
If I were running the show...
2007 Camaro RS/SS 427 w/an option package u could tailor to your own desires.
GM charges $$$$$$ for hp so dont expect them to counter w/a 427 Camaro.
I love GM but there gonna get there butts kicked in the next few yrs.
What happens if Dodge comes out w/a RWD 6.1 Cuda..
GM will have nothing to compete...
If I were running the show...
2007 Camaro RS/SS 427 w/an option package u could tailor to your own desires.
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If I were running the show...
2007 Camaro RS/SS 427 w/an option package u could tailor to your own desires.[/QUOTE]
I would also like to see this. Why not? I like Chevy, but more power to Ford for steppin up. Dodge has Viper's, Chevy have Vette's,,,Ford has a more affordable Cobra, Chevy & Dodge needs something comparable.-Fred
2007 Camaro RS/SS 427 w/an option package u could tailor to your own desires.[/QUOTE]
I would also like to see this. Why not? I like Chevy, but more power to Ford for steppin up. Dodge has Viper's, Chevy have Vette's,,,Ford has a more affordable Cobra, Chevy & Dodge needs something comparable.-Fred
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Fred, you are right on there. ford/chevy/dodge ect all have the high end car, but ford is the only one with a mid end priced high end car. lol
they are doing well
they are doing well
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Originally Posted by Noyzee
i made 600 for about 20k hard miles and my car never missed a beat. the cobra is a great overall car, but if you want to compare use to be, then say in o2 a new z28 was 26k and a new cobra was 35k, take the money from the savings and bye bye cobra. now take a cobra at 35k and compair it to a vett at 45k, now put the savings into a cobra and bye bye vett. so realy it came down to personal prefrence. now it comes down to chevy isnt making anything nice right now so ford wins.
As for the cuda...did anyone see in the SI Swimsuit issue, the charger or what ever it was? Some sort of ugly rat, but its competition for stangs/cameros/goats.
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How about we end this conversation by comparing cars that are actually in production, being sold and driven on the road.
Talk to me when that Cobra is actually a production car. Until then the playing field isn’t level. For the everyday consumer, GM has the GTO and Vette while Ford only has the Mustang. The LS2 GTO’s are running 12.80’s bone stock at very best. The new C6 Vettes are doing well and the Z06 should just wipe the floor clean (but in my eyes, out of the price range of common folk, like the Viper).
Ford as of now is losing the blue-collar performance war. Maybe the new Cobra will even things up, maybe it wont. Let’s wait and see but to say Ford is better at this moment is kind of silly. Don’t let your loyalty to one brand blind you. Don himself was a HUGE Ford fan until the LS1. He recognizes a car by it’s performance, not by it’s brand.
Talk to me when that Cobra is actually a production car. Until then the playing field isn’t level. For the everyday consumer, GM has the GTO and Vette while Ford only has the Mustang. The LS2 GTO’s are running 12.80’s bone stock at very best. The new C6 Vettes are doing well and the Z06 should just wipe the floor clean (but in my eyes, out of the price range of common folk, like the Viper).
Ford as of now is losing the blue-collar performance war. Maybe the new Cobra will even things up, maybe it wont. Let’s wait and see but to say Ford is better at this moment is kind of silly. Don’t let your loyalty to one brand blind you. Don himself was a HUGE Ford fan until the LS1. He recognizes a car by it’s performance, not by it’s brand.
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Really? Ever heard of this thing called torque? Apparently not.
What is a 400hp N/A LS1 or LS1 good for at the track? I know the answer. Do you?
Now...my '03 Cobra went 11.29 @ 121mph with only 460rwhp.
So a 400hp N/A LS1 owns a 465hp sc?
What is a 400hp N/A LS1 or LS1 good for at the track? I know the answer. Do you?
Now...my '03 Cobra went 11.29 @ 121mph with only 460rwhp.
So a 400hp N/A LS1 owns a 465hp sc?
Ford has a cobra now 2003 to be exact that can go 10's with very minor tweeks
GM has nothing comparable to this car,Dont tell me a stock 05 GTO is gonna lay the smack down on stock 03 or 04 Cobra cause it aint gonna happen.
Hands down that 03 Cobra is a bad *** car....
I'm bleed Chevy blue threw and threw but IMO they dropped the ball.
GM has nothing comparable to this car,Dont tell me a stock 05 GTO is gonna lay the smack down on stock 03 or 04 Cobra cause it aint gonna happen.
Hands down that 03 Cobra is a bad *** car....
I'm bleed Chevy blue threw and threw but IMO they dropped the ball.
The F-Bodies kept up with the 4.6 Stangs.
The 05 GTO keeps up with the new stock Stangs.
The Vette is quicker than the Stangs.
I could bring up cars so much older than the 03 Cobra that could probaly beat it but let's compare apples to oranges. You can win this argument by twisting it 10 different ways.
To be honest, whenever this comes up it just sounds like a bunch of 10 year old kids with sand in their vagina's.
My car's faster than yours, my Dad can beats yours up. Jeepers...
The 05 GTO keeps up with the new stock Stangs.
The Vette is quicker than the Stangs.
I could bring up cars so much older than the 03 Cobra that could probaly beat it but let's compare apples to oranges. You can win this argument by twisting it 10 different ways.
To be honest, whenever this comes up it just sounds like a bunch of 10 year old kids with sand in their vagina's.
My car's faster than yours, my Dad can beats yours up. Jeepers...
I wouldnt own a ford for all the tea in China but right now.....
03/04 Cobra BUILT NOW 35k
05 GTO BUILT NOW 32k
Which one is quicker/faster in totally STOCK form...
HANDS DOWN as much as I dont wanna say it-------->03/04 Cobra
Vettes are in a different class so we wont even bring them up....
GM better give us something,ah who cares I'm going 427 LS2 in my car this fall
03/04 Cobra BUILT NOW 35k
05 GTO BUILT NOW 32k
Which one is quicker/faster in totally STOCK form...
HANDS DOWN as much as I dont wanna say it-------->03/04 Cobra
Vettes are in a different class so we wont even bring them up....
GM better give us something,ah who cares I'm going 427 LS2 in my car this fall
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No its not like 10 year old kids. This debate has fueled American hotrodding for many generations. One of the great things about it is that they are not all carbon copies with very close races, there are different cars that go after different sectors of the market. When you get down to it, a mustang is very different from a camero, wich is very different from a vette, wich is very different from a viper and so on. Thats called variety. This is not trans am racing where we all have to have the same car putting out the same horsepower...we have choices, welcome to America!
Originally Posted by JS
I wouldnt own a ford for all the tea in China but right now.....
03/04 Cobra BUILT NOW 35k
05 GTO BUILT NOW 32k
Which one is quicker/faster in totally STOCK form...
HANDS DOWN as much as I dont wanna say it-------->03/04 Cobra
Vettes are in a different class so we wont even bring them up....
GM better give us something,ah who cares I'm going 427 LS2 in my car this fall
03/04 Cobra BUILT NOW 35k
05 GTO BUILT NOW 32k
Which one is quicker/faster in totally STOCK form...
HANDS DOWN as much as I dont wanna say it-------->03/04 Cobra
Vettes are in a different class so we wont even bring them up....
GM better give us something,ah who cares I'm going 427 LS2 in my car this fall
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From: East Side Performance! mASShole
you cant compair a SC car to an NA car if the price is way off, but the price is very compairable, and the cobra is faster. Im a chevy guy as well, every auto i own is chevy, and they droped the ball. no offence to the GTO guys, but it looks like a glorified Grand am. in the looks department, it sucks. i saw about 3-4 gto's befor i even noticed it was a gto, it looks sooo much like a plane jain gtp or grand am whatever it is. the power is sweet for sure, but just because ford used a blower to make power isnt bad if they stay together, HP is HP no matter what.
I agree with whip, this isnt a bad discusion, who knows, maybe some importaint big wig from gm will read this thread and say, hey, know what they are right.
I agree with whip, this isnt a bad discusion, who knows, maybe some importaint big wig from gm will read this thread and say, hey, know what they are right.
I actually like the style of the GTO.Its different and the build quality is awesome plus its interior is the nicest setup ever to come out of GM.I want one soooooo bad I can taste it,but alas I'm going BIG BIG LS2 in my TA instead
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Mr B should be tarred and feathered for this.
I WISH there was a car that Cheby or Pontiac made that looks good and runs good- but, alas, none exists. The pinheads at GM saw to that.. all over a squabble with the Canucks @ St. Therese.. what morons.
they are definetly morons at gm, no doubt. I like my gto though, its a fun toy. But there clueless for letting ford get the upper hand, I like the 03 cobra and would like to see the 07 be the beast they are saying it will be. I do think gm will wake up though