Failed PA state emissions again! help!
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Failed PA state emissions again! help! The other day I failed emissions miserably so I went ahead and did a few things that I thought would fix it. I put new 02 sensors on, put stock thermostat in, scrapped MadZ28 tuned computer for a stock replacement one from GM, and fixed a vacumn leak i had. Well I did the emissions test again and failed even worse.
Because my car is a '95 its an OBD1 computer so they do a dyno type test here in PA.
Here are my results from the 1st time and 2nd time I had testing done:
CO% x liters
Limits/Test Values
1.10/3.64
1.10/6.72
HC ppm x liters
275/729
275/1271
NO ppm x liters
3600/5876
3600/11325
RPM reading
1937
1286
Dilution
Reading
17.9%
14.3%
The first emission test was done with the car being fairly cold, the second test was done at a different location with the car running hot. I was told it it easier to pass with a car that is running hot.
I have no clue why I am failing so bad however I have a Maganflow hi-flow Cat after the Y on my exhaust setup so it looks like my Cat is not heating up at all therefore not functioning at all. So I think I'm going to have a custom Y-Pipe made with cats on each side so that they work properly. Will that alone solve my issue or is there more? BTW: I had to fork out $129 for an emissions waiver which was hell dealing with Harrisburg since I spent so much money trying to fix the problem without it being fixed. I just need it to pass for next year now. I feel so glad that more than double the money I made from graduation is going towards making my flipping car pass inspection.
Thank you in advance for any help.
Because my car is a '95 its an OBD1 computer so they do a dyno type test here in PA.
Here are my results from the 1st time and 2nd time I had testing done:
CO% x liters
Limits/Test Values
1.10/3.64
1.10/6.72
HC ppm x liters
275/729
275/1271
NO ppm x liters
3600/5876
3600/11325
RPM reading
1937
1286
Dilution
Reading
17.9%
14.3%
The first emission test was done with the car being fairly cold, the second test was done at a different location with the car running hot. I was told it it easier to pass with a car that is running hot.
I have no clue why I am failing so bad however I have a Maganflow hi-flow Cat after the Y on my exhaust setup so it looks like my Cat is not heating up at all therefore not functioning at all. So I think I'm going to have a custom Y-Pipe made with cats on each side so that they work properly. Will that alone solve my issue or is there more? BTW: I had to fork out $129 for an emissions waiver which was hell dealing with Harrisburg since I spent so much money trying to fix the problem without it being fixed. I just need it to pass for next year now. I feel so glad that more than double the money I made from graduation is going towards making my flipping car pass inspection.
Thank you in advance for any help.
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Originally Posted by CamaroSS621
...pay someone for lick and stick..
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They sell bottles of stuff you can put in your tank and pass emmisions. I forget what its called but you used to be able to buy it anywhere. Go to Advance or pepboys and check out all the fuel additives...some say it right on the bottle.
Originally Posted by SAM98WS6
They sell bottles of stuff you can put in your tank and pass emmisions. I forget what its called but you used to be able to buy it anywhere. Go to Advance or pepboys and check out all the fuel additives...some say it right on the bottle.
It doesnt really need to be hot. i do testing in Chester county and if i have a car that doesnt pass, usually what works is a good run down the highway then put it right on the dyno. I have alot of luck doing it that way.
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have you spent more than $150 bucks on repairs to try and get it passed??? if so, you get a "waiver" sticker for the year....but next year it goes up to $175 i beleive and will continue to increase yearly.
if not, your only other option would be to trick the machine with the old swap cars deal. goodluck
if not, your only other option would be to trick the machine with the old swap cars deal. goodluck
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I dunno man but your not even close to passing by the numbers you posted. You might try running some Seafoam through your systems then change the oil, plugs etc but as I said it's not like your a few points out you are WAY out and unless you find a lick and stick you're probably going to have issues.
Does the car use a lot of oil? If your burning oil maybe going to a much thicker oil just for the test will help. How many miles do you have on this car and is it the original motor? You're not running a 69 camaro motor with a carb or anything are you? Maybe your cats are bad? If so you'll probably need to swap them out in order to get past the dyno sniffer test. What other mods have you done to the car?
Does the car use a lot of oil? If your burning oil maybe going to a much thicker oil just for the test will help. How many miles do you have on this car and is it the original motor? You're not running a 69 camaro motor with a carb or anything are you? Maybe your cats are bad? If so you'll probably need to swap them out in order to get past the dyno sniffer test. What other mods have you done to the car?
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Originally Posted by Mike02Z
I dunno man but your not even close to passing by the numbers you posted. You might try running some Seafoam through your systems then change the oil, plugs etc but as I said it's not like your a few points out you are WAY out and unless you find a lick and stick you're probably going to have issues.
Does the car use a lot of oil? If your burning oil maybe going to a much thicker oil just for the test will help. How many miles do you have on this car and is it the original motor? You're not running a 69 camaro motor with a carb or anything are you? Maybe your cats are bad? If so you'll probably need to swap them out in order to get past the dyno sniffer test. What other mods have you done to the car?
Does the car use a lot of oil? If your burning oil maybe going to a much thicker oil just for the test will help. How many miles do you have on this car and is it the original motor? You're not running a 69 camaro motor with a carb or anything are you? Maybe your cats are bad? If so you'll probably need to swap them out in order to get past the dyno sniffer test. What other mods have you done to the car?
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Originally Posted by 00'WS6Rocket
have you messed with the timeing? My 92 camaro had high nox and hc's and it ened up being my timeing was off by a *cough* few degrees... Might try that
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Originally Posted by TNTramair
have you spent more than $150 bucks on repairs to try and get it passed??? if so, you get a "waiver" sticker for the year....but next year it goes up to $175 i beleive and will continue to increase yearly.
if not, your only other option would be to trick the machine with the old swap cars deal. goodluck
if not, your only other option would be to trick the machine with the old swap cars deal. goodluck
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i dont have any cats.. dont have egr or air on a 00... Do you think they will check for the air and egr even though my fast doesnt have egr? also.. im putting my hooker back on to quiet it up, do they look specifically for the cats or does the service engine soon light just have to not be on?
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Originally Posted by carado1984
i dont have any cats.. dont have egr or air on a 00... Do you think they will check for the air and egr even though my fast doesnt have egr? also.. im putting my hooker back on to quiet it up, do they look specifically for the cats or does the service engine soon light just have to not be on?
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Originally Posted by carado1984
i dont have any cats.. dont have egr or air on a 00... Do you think they will check for the air and egr even though my fast doesnt have egr? also.. im putting my hooker back on to quiet it up, do they look specifically for the cats or does the service engine soon light just have to not be on?
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sam.. where did you take your ws6? because you had and ory and loudmouth right? or did you swap in a catted pipe? i suppose i can bolt my egr back up to the block off plate but it would be a pain in the ***..
