frcefed98 makes some valid points. (Read the last few Boosted List posts.)

I see a guy with less than a dozen posts put up a time that lands him near the top of the list, I really want to see a timeslip... if they had been posting here, I feel ok. But, someone I don't know from the boards? Trolls abound.

I also agree we can't compete with shops that have unlimited resources of time, lifts, dyno sessions, other professional resources, and maybe even sponsors. But, I don't want to come off like a butt-hole if no one seems to mind.

I'm tempted to do two lists... the home guy that TRULY drives his car nearly every day. And another for the shops and guys that have mad money to pop in $20K engines.

But, someone will always find a way to get around rules. So... unless there is more debate, if it has valid license plates and can be driven to the track OR work, it will all go in this list.

We're not blind... we can see the guys like us who do our home mechanic'ing and the guys that have near unlimited shop resources. Unless there is a consensus for two lists, I'll continue to just "ooh and aah" them while the car I drive every day drops lower on the list.

About the trailer, I wish I had one. It wasn't fun when I ripped 3/4 from my tranny and had to wait for AAA to get me after driving to a rest stop in 2nd gear.

If it HAS to be trailered to get to the track, to me it isn't valid for this list. BUT... it sure is nice to have a trailer for ANY vehicle if it breaks.

BUT, I think the timeslip idea is immediately valid. We can all discuss some more.

And what about guys that boost AND spray? I would say we can post their spray times, but they must rank in the boost-only mode.

 

So now we have to worry about who drives their car every day to work?
You just have to enjoy your own car and the hobby and not worry about what others do.

 

I think it is nice to see how the little guy is doing against the shops. The problem I see is that there are non-shop people with virtually unlimited resources as well, that can throw money at it to make them fast.

How about 1 list with a very simple delineator. Make private people one colour and shop cars another, that way everyone can look at one list any way they want.

If someone is new to the board perhaps some proof is warranted such as a time slip, but I have found the vast majority of people to be pretty straight about thier cars.

JMHO

paul

 

Keep the opinions coming so we can settle this once and for all.

Thanks, guys.

 

Mike I just wanted to give my 2 on what you were saying in the boosted list post.
I do like the idea of a list for the shop/unlimited fund cars. This makes things clean and attainable for us little guys trying their asses off. I do EVERYTHING on my own and I am damn proud to be where I am at on the list considering my altitude. This list would be nice for two reasons. When the big names go at it, 1)parts get developed quickly and 2)their kits get refined quickly which is great for us. I just hope they are good enough to spread the knowledge around to these forums.
I definately didn't want to come across in an angry way, I am not mad or upset but some people will take it that way, so I said oh well. I can't make everyone happy. to anyone who got a little upset at what I had to say, I am not mad at ya

I truly do drive my car everyday, its my only one. It has full insurance and is registered and passes emissions too, well I am not sure about that anymore...me and my Dad fired up the new Forged beast today. I am a guy who only makes 25000 a year, I spend every extra penny, dime and plastic dollar to keep my car maintained/modded to run the numbers it does. I like the challenge of having a low 11/10 sec street car up at this altitude and having a ranking on the FI board. I know MY hard work is paying off, not my $$ that paid someone else to do it for me. I do like to see what the high dollar cars and shop cars run like anyone else but this list was started like mike said for us everyday dudes to compete with each other. And yes I do see this as competition, but it has to be fair my car "might" go 9's up here one day but thats unlikely.

I hear you on the trailer thing sometimes, but that is the fun thing about the street car, knowing you are doing everything right to not need one. Plus I have some buddies that have one if things do go
I like putting the trailered rides back on the trailer at the track and driving my car home afterwards. Anyone one can have a one purpose car, I am glad I don't have one, its a waste of $$. I can do everything in my car from driving 50mi a day to and from work and going to get an ice cream or just cruise it around. I busted a spherical rod end on my BMR torque arm at the track and I managed to get it home, it was at 20mph all 15mi back up to my house, but I didn't need the trailer option.

Boost and spray option is fine for me as I spray both on occasion. My shot is only a 35 shot but will be stepped up to a 75hp shot now that I got the new engine it. This will get stealth and Rons T/A as I see N2O on both. Plus I can rank in the N2O forum too

Like Mike says if no one minds how things are already going then I am all for how it already is.
Thanks all,
J



yes it I go by the motto if it isn't done on jackstands it doesn't count :p

 

I think two lists are necessary. And all times should be validated with at least a timeslip or a video. If not, at least multiple known LS1Tech members should have witnessed it.

As far as competing with shops....not really an issue as I see it. We have MANY customers that throw a LOT more money at their cars than we do. I've got a guy right now that we are building an 1800HP twin turbo '68 Camaro for. Money is no object to this guy. Few could compete with his wallet.
Take Ronnie Duke for example...who can compete with him?? He doesn't own a shop. Though I'm sure he could.

Look at Mike Brown's TA. He's faster than I am. Heck, he gives me something to shoot for.

I do think there needs to an unlimited Boosted list and a Production Parts Boosted List.
The unlimited could include C5R engines, C5R heads, as well as multiple power adders.

But the Production Parts Boosted List should only be allowed to use just that...production parts. (meaning specifically GM heads & block...no C5R stuff and only one power adder) Then it really does come down to the person tuning it and driving it.

That's the way I see it anyway.

 

frcefed98
A little off the subject for a sec.
Had a quick question. Who did ur Intake? Im planning on doing mine in chrome to match my chrome theme in my engine bay. Ur looks bad ***. Just wanted to pay you a complaiment and to ask who did it and how. You ever heard of electro plating? Well im trying to find a company that does that. Cause I really want the chrome.

I also think there should be another list .

 

He actually did it with a spray paint setup...

Sand the intake, clean it, then spray it with many coats, and then clear it...I wanted to do mine in silver I never got a chance to get the intake off though...

 

OK... Rob has a decent suggestion... any more opinions on this?

And I DO like the idea of video, timeslip or someone else from the boards collaborating it. And I must say... if someone EVER lies about their times, I think they should be summarily banned from the board... but, that's just an opinion.

I WOULD like ya'll to stay on topic, please. Make another post in the appropriate section or do a PM if you wanna talk about something else other than the boosted list. Thanks!

 

Michael,
There are way too many "lists" on this site. Unless some rational is enforced, we will eventually end-up with a list for the fastest "Blue LS1", "Red LS1, "Black LS1, and the fastest "Blue cam-only LS1", "Red cam-only LS1, "Black cam-only LS1, etc. I encourage you and others at this site to do whatever is required to "reduce" the number of such lists. They are becoming redundant and often meaningless.

 

I'm with stealth. Fastest is Fastest period. Having multiple lists makes the lists weak and watered down. The boosted list is the boosted list. Of course many of us will not make the list. Okay, well thats life. Please dont go all left wing on us.
Rob is right about proof...he said it perfectly. Chances are if someone runs those times it wasn't without some fanfare.

 

Just to weigh in, I do not think that it's necessary to draw distinction from the shop/unlimited fund cars, having them on the same list makes the goals more fun for the rest of us.

I think the idea of providing proof of the times is valid, and would serve to add creditability to the list. (That is not to say anyone on the list now isn't being straight, but the fact is someone will eventually abuse the privilege.)

In my opinion, having a list for each category of car is a good way to help people understand what it takes to attain a winning car, and will ultimately influence the masses.

A list for nitrous cars, boosted cars, and N/A cars is the extent to what I think is useful, with an overall standings list as a roll-up.

Just my 2 cents.

 

i would prefer one list and i think it would be easy to color code the individuals from 'shop' cars. also easy to highlight bests in 60', ET, and MPH.. though the list still remain in 'quickest' order.. lowest et is first.

along with frcefed98 (nice engine!) i would love to see noted which cars are really 'drive to work' cars and which only drive to the track and back or trailored all together...

other than that, running the et list on my club board i know that it is impossible to give everyone what they want, so overall i say blackls1ta, make the list how you think it should be because you are the one footing all the effort.. if they got a problem with your format they can not be on it.

 

I think the 1 main list, as run what you brung, and hope you brung enough is my motto.

HOWEVER, it would be nice to have a second list, for the cars that are truly daily drivers, and used as such. This list would only allow "street trim" cars, with DOT approved tires that can be driven in the rain. "streetable" rubber, aka, Drag radials, not ET streets. As many people including myself, want a car they can drive to work, and drive to the track afterwards, and cruise downtown later that night in, without doing anything to it.

Just my $0.02.

Ryan.

I know there are a lot of cars in this forum, that are not daily drivers, and would not be used as such.

Ryan.

 

I assumed a timeslip was required to get on the list already.
If you think about it timeslips can easily be bunk too . I have a few slips where the guy I was running against was running 10's and I could say they were mine.
All in all I think everyone having to provide a time slip is a good idea even if it's just to lend credibility to the list as a whole.

 

So far, it's kinda evenly divided. The only thing coming out of this is produce at least a time-slip.

What about a boosted car that the guy sometimes spray's nitrous, too... do you agree to post the times (great info), but keep the rank at boosted, not sprayed?

 

I may be new to the FI scene but I have been on these boards since fall of 98. I do 98 % of the work myself. I do not have deep pockets but like everyone else I do what I can to keep the economy going I love the idea of two lists, I know I can not compete with the shops or the people who can afford to drop outrageous amounts of money on their rides but having a list that is even somewhat attainable by the “average joe” like me makes it pretty fun to try and hang with people like Noyzee or frcefed98 who are totally into this and bust their asses on this addictive hobby. Thier times are my goal....

I like what Rob proposed….

“I do think there needs to an unlimited Boosted list and a Production Parts Boosted List.
The unlimited could include C5R engines, C5R heads, as well as multiple power adders.

But the Production Parts Boosted List should only be allowed to use just that...production parts. (meaning specifically GM heads & block...no C5R stuff and only one power adder) Then it really does come down to the person tuning it and driving it.”

And one more thing…
I advocate the use of a trailer, I trailer my car, I could certainly drive the car back and forth but after seeing Mike Cabral nuke his motor in E-Town and have to pay $480 to get it home I decided discresion is the better part of valor. When I use the trailer I usually bring an extra set of tires just in case someone else has problems, I can drive my car back (1.75 hours) and let them use the trailer. Some may say I have a trailer queen but if by chance they toast their car I will be there to help them out (then maybe they won’t be so judgemental).

Brian

 

Time slips are fine with me. Video on the other hand I think is hoarse ****. I for one do not go to the track with a bunch of cheerleaders that are going to stand around and snap pics and take vids of my runs. Sorry I go to the track to race not to make amateur movies.

 

Michael,
My car represents a good example. I keep up with both blower-only times and blower-NOS times. But in terms of your lists, you can list my car either way.

 

I like one list, I like the idear of color code however. I think shopcars should be known. I look at the list and the only shop car is Rob's (that im aware of). I must be way off.
As for time slips/vids, I have noway to post them, I have a vid of my 10.9 in MIR up, but it was put up by someone ealse. So i would be out. I do however have a lot of LS1Tech witnesses.
Unlimited funds? Not fare, I bust *** and spend damn near everypenny i make on my car, Ive been building it for 4 years, But noone would know that, people see my car and they think my wallet is fat, and it happened over night, Little do they know!!!!!
Daily drivers/trailored cars. 98BLK, im with you, I just got my tralor, my car has been to the track4-5 times in it, once to e-town, 6 hours, once to MIR 13 hours and 3 times to NED 1 hour which i dove home one time. Untill this year my car was never traliored. But now i saved my $$$$ and dicided to by one, so that isnt fare, I can drive my car there and back, but choose the same as 98blk, if it is there, then i have a way home and anyone im with has a way home, I just dont change my tires!
Speaking of tires, DOT tires dont count on the street cars? Why not, I drive on et streets/QTP all the time, The guys at ESP thought i was nuts driving 2 1/2 hours to their shop for tuning, and i was on et streets. Not fare, Just because im a nut and drive on et streets all the time shouldnt put me out of the driven cars. How many of your cars see snow? The first two years, my car was put threw a Mass winter, and the last 2 years, my car has seen snow at least 5 times, and yes 2 or three where on ET STREETS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I consider my car a street car, 47,000 miles on a car that has 3 good months of weather every year, and is driven after work only (Im a service guy, I have a company van with all my tools. But my car carried those tools for a year or so) I drive a minimum of 200 miles per week (unless the car breaks, Like this week) If the weather man says chance of rain tonight, my car is still out( ON et streets!!)
I do like the color coded shop cars.
Just my .02 and i agree with MM, Its your list blkls1, you choose.
Also, You guys that race, How many show there cars?? My car is out in any weather, and has 47k on it, and is CLEAN!!!!! I win near every show im in, Super chevy 3 years in a row, World of wheels 2 years out of 2!! People dont even get dirty working on my car, My time is put into my car, and that is it! I love it. I consider my car a driver!!