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Old Mar 15, 2009 | 10:29 PM
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when i swap the 317 heads onto a 98 5.7 block is there any tricks or tips i need to know,parts i need besides head gasket of course?

do i need to modify a head gasket for the swap or use 5.7 or 6.0 stock gasket
i assume they are all the same

also does anyone have a good link to one of those head gasket thickness versus chamber size=comp. ratio charts for a stock displacement ls1


and any tips on gasket thickness/brand for running about 16 pounds of boost

thanx guys sorry for all the questions just trying to learn from experience
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Old Mar 15, 2009 | 11:36 PM
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u need 6L gaskets.. might want to upgrade to headstuds as well while you are there, etc.
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Old Mar 16, 2009 | 06:34 AM
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Yeah, go with ARP head studs for 16 lbs. I got some used from a local shop for about half the price as new. I went with 6L Corvette MLS gaskets. I just went to a dealer and ordered them. It's nice to have friends!(discount!)
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317 heads on a 346 with 0.054" gasket will have a 9.4 static compression ratio with -2cc pistons. Definitely want to go with 6.0L gaskets. Even with ARP head studs, it is going to be hard to keep the heads from lifting with 16 psi. The tune is going to have to be dead nuts right on.
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Old Mar 16, 2009 | 07:44 AM
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317 heads on a 346 with 0.054" gasket will have a 9.4 static compression ratio with -2cc pistons. Definitely want to go with 6.0L gaskets. Even with ARP head studs, it is going to be hard to keep the heads from lifting with 16 psi. The tune is going to have to be dead nuts right on.

already have the head studs.maybe i need to order a set of heads with a little bigger chamber
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from the chart i saw with a 71 cc chamber and 2cc relief it should be about 9.0 to 1
is this not correct?
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aren't 6.0's 72cc?
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Originally Posted by tim99ws6
aren't 6.0's 72cc?
Correct. With a -2cc piston on 0.054" gaskets, the static compression level will be 9.4:1.
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Old Mar 16, 2009 | 10:22 AM
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If you don't mind re-running, what effect does a -4cc valve relief make vs -2cc relief?
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72.27cc = 9.1 CR
71.71cc = 9.2 CR
71.05cc = 9.3 CR
70.59cc = 9.4 CR
70.03cc = 9.5 CR
69.74cc = 9.6 CR
68.91cc = 9.7 CR
68.35cc = 9.8 CR
67.79cc = 9.9 CR
67.23cc = 10.0 CR
66.67cc = 10.1 CR (stock LS1 head spec)
66.11cc = 10.2 CR
65.55cc = 10.3 CR
64.99cc = 10.4 CR
64.43cc = 10.5 CR (stock LS6 head spec)
63.87cc = 10.6 CR
63.31cc = 10.7 CR
62.75cc = 10.8 CR
62.19cc = 10.9 CR
61.63cc = 11.0 CR
61.07cc = 11.1 CR
60.51cc = 11.2 CR
59.95cc = 11.3 CR
59.39cc = 11.4 CR
58.83cc = 11.5 CR

is this not correct here,i show that a 317 head has a 71cc chamber and with a 2cc relief would i not be right around 9.0 to 1,if im not correct could you explain why
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http://www.angelfire.com/fl/procrastination/motor.html

I use this calculator and it is pretty accurate.
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yeah according to that it is 9.4
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Originally Posted by dpinson
yeah according to that it is 9.4
This one also agrees, so that chart is off.


http://www.race-cars.net/calculators...alculator.html
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damn here i was thinking i was going to be perfect now i might have to change pistons or heads

so at 9.4 you guys think i will be pushing it with 16lbs.
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just add meth
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
just add meth
well that was my next question ,i plan on meth and im running the fmic from epp

will i be good

ive seen people claiming just as much and more boost on more comp. with meth

a guy was saying he puts 700 rwhp through a stock c5 with just different springs and cam i believe
so i cant see why my setup would not be doable


thanx for the help
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Dont mean to be a thread thief, but I am considering the same heads, and I needed to know if PRC's for stock ls1 (241) heads will fit on the 317's and also if I need to use a stock length push rod or a longer one, I have a stock bottom end and am changing to relieve some pressure and save face till I can forge the bottom. Thanks, Sorry again for interjecting
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Originally Posted by t/a-Donnie
I went with 6L Corvette MLS gaskets. I just went to a dealer and ordered them. It's nice to have friends!(discount!)
I'm also getting ready to do the 317 head swap but I bought gm mls gaskets for the 5.7L. I held the gaskets up to the heads and they lined up perfectly. How would I tell the difference between the 2 gaskets besides on e saying 6l on it? I just really want to know if I need to go and buy new gaskets before I take my top end apart. OP, I'm sorry for hijacking the thread I just want to be sure that the gaskets I have won't fit.
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im def. gonna use ls9 gaskets for my next fi build
they are designed for use with forced induction from the factory
and 4.1 bore .050 compressed iirc. but there stock on the sc ls9
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You guys might get a response if you started a new thread that was titled a little better to your request. Search isn't working any better than closing your eyes and guessing, so you shouldn't get the "use the search" response, haha
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