View Poll Results: STS 70mm 8 PSI Turbo(IC) VS Procharger D-1SC 8 PSI(IC)?
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STS VS Procharger Poll?!!!!!
I didn't vote because it all depends on what your goals are. Two people's build threads I'd recommend checking out (after you've read the FI Stickies) are KP (Procharged TA) and Longrange4u (STS SS), both of these guys have a lot of experience with their kits. Good luck choosing which setup to go with...
And, No, this isn't a bash guys. I'm happy with the responses I'm getting. I too am aware of the difference in the too. I just want everyones personal experiences and opinions. Thanks.
Some other names that come to mind for you to checkout are ZL1Killa (STS WS6) and ofcourse Exotic Performance Plus' Project section, there are a ton of Procharger projects on there. There are so many other people that have posted very detailed threads about their respective build but I can't think of any other names right now. I myself will be running a Procharger setup by mid summer. A few years ago I wanted to run an STS and every now and then I toss around the idea of trading my Procharger kit for an STS. Aside from keeping my performance goals in mind (both kits would easily accomplish them), the fact that there is always something on the road where I drive along with my putting 20k miles/year on my car, Procharger seemed to be the right choice for me.
Some other names that come to mind for you to checkout are ZL1Killa (STS WS6) and ofcourse Exotic Performance Plus' Project section, there are a ton of Procharger projects on there. There are so many other people that have posted very detailed threads about their respective build but I can't think of any other names right now. I myself will be running a Procharger setup by mid summer. A few years ago I wanted to run an STS and every now and then I toss around the idea of trading my Procharger kit for an STS. Aside from keeping my performance goals in mind (both kits would easily accomplish them), the fact that there is always something on the road where I drive along with my putting 20k miles/year on my car, Procharger seemed to be the right choice for me.
So will you be driving 20k miles a year WITH a Procharger?.................I've read all through ZL1Killa's STS thread and talked to him on the phone. I have a pretty good idea about whats going on with the STS. Procharger, not as much.
i personally think that the guy that designed the rear mount turbo systems never really understood how turbos work. , but lots of people buy them, so i guess he is doing something right.
On The Tree
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From: Lancaster CA
well i did vote of course for the turbo , i have had my STS for a little over 2 years now and the only problem i had with it was when i firdt got it on and forgot to tighten all the hose couplers and i ended up popping off a few charge pipes but now that has been well taken care of...i have had no issue with iti n the wet...the car used to be my dd and i drove that thing in rain more than once and never sucked up any water...it has a protective sheild around the air filter to help protect it from water and it works pretty good, granted you dont want to submerse it in water, but i think you get the point...good luck with making your final decesion....
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It sounds like there are a lot of people who still haven't ridden in a STS car yet. Everyone I have met, no matter how bias they are, have been blown away by the power created by the STS system during their first ride. The STS system works, period. Procharger is also a great power adder and I can see how it would be a difficult choice but for anyone to flat out say that the STS system doesn't work is just ignorant.
Last edited by Turbo 6.0; Mar 26, 2009 at 01:44 AM.
I would not pull my STS, but, as an early adaptor (2003), I would not recommend one either.
The oil return system is probably the worst design I have ever seen. As a System Engineer, I have seen some bad systems, and it is right there.
Move it away from the head, which was not designed to take the extra fluid flow, and put it down into the pan, where it belongs.
On The Tree
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From: DA SUCK,
I don’t think anyone is saying that the sts system doesn’t work. But I'd assume that if you’re willing to spend 7k + to increase the performance of your most likely already quick car (to normal ppl), then you’d want the best bang for your buck. The oil return issue is a failure waiting to happen, along with the proximity of the turbo in relation to the block. So much velocity and heat is lost before it makes it to the motor. You can wrap the pipes etc, and it will minimize lag, but it’s no real solution for those who want big numbers and quick spool. Also if you live somewhere w/ emissions, requiring you to have cats, good luck to you if the cats come apart, b/c the debris is heading right into ur turbo. Sts Piping and couplers are very cheap also !.
Long story short most ppl who are happy with their sts setups either aren’t pushing them very hard i.e. 500whp err so, or they've spent alot more money on top of the initial kit cost to tweak it to perfection. More power to these individuals! Just know that there are far superior kits out that don’t require as much TLC to perform just as well.
Long story short most ppl who are happy with their sts setups either aren’t pushing them very hard i.e. 500whp err so, or they've spent alot more money on top of the initial kit cost to tweak it to perfection. More power to these individuals! Just know that there are far superior kits out that don’t require as much TLC to perform just as well.
Well look at numbers them self. a turbo has a 7.12% per lbs of boost and a procharger is about 4% per lbs of boost. The turbo can be turned down for dd. The prochager is more consistent with the amount of boost. I would go turbo everyday.
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From: mocksville NC
Hey man, i live over in Mocksville. We need to get up sometime. As to your question i voted procharger. My car is making 488rwhp with 6lbs on a P1sc. Stock bottom end, stock cam bolt ons car. Most sts systems ive seen arent making that kind of power with 7-8lbs of boost. That being said im not bashing the sts kit, i think they are really neat and the sound of the turbo spooling will scare the crap out of you if your beside it! Seriously though hit me up and ill take you for a ride in my car and you can see for yourself.
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From: Lino Lakes, MN
I had the opportunity to drive a 02 ws6 with a D1 at 12lbs and I was absolutely amazed by the power and drivability. It was a daily driven car and had awesome road manners. After that night I have been sold on procharger and want one in the worst way. I can say I have never rode in a turbo car but i still vote procharger.
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From: WHERE UNCLE SAM SAYS
Not even close to truth! Take a properly setup turbo car vs a properly setup procharged car, and the turbo will make more power at less boost all f*cking day long, with a stronger powerband to boot.
Procharger = full boost only @ redline in each gear
Turbo = full boost from 2500-6500 in each gear roughly and the more you load it the harder she works to maintain set boost
-plus you can adjust boost, for daily driving/race day
-better on gas when not under load
-less strain on motor when not under load
-no stealing power to make power
-not restricted by rpms so u can brake boost dumdumdum
to each his own tho ....LMAO
Procharger = full boost only @ redline in each gearTurbo = full boost from 2500-6500 in each gear roughly and the more you load it the harder she works to maintain set boost -plus you can adjust boost, for daily driving/race day
-better on gas when not under load
-less strain on motor when not under load
-no stealing power to make power
-not restricted by rpms so u can brake boost dumdumdum
to each his own tho ....LMAO
It sounds like there are a lot of people who still haven't ridden in a STS car yet. Everyone I have met, no matter how bias they are, have been blown away by the power created by the STS system during their first ride. The STS system works, period. Procharger is also a great power adder and I can see how it would be a difficult choice but for anyone to flat out say that the STS system doesn't work is just ignorant.
yes the sts system works, just like a procharger will work if you mount it in the back of the car with a very long belt. but is it a good idea ? whats next ? a maggie where the muffler goes ?