View Poll Results: STS 70mm 8 PSI Turbo(IC) VS Procharger D-1SC 8 PSI(IC)?
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STS VS Procharger Poll?!!!!!
Im not gunna argue over which is better than which, but I will provide my own experience.
I made 630rwhp with my STS on a completely 100% stock LS2 @ 8.5psi with my 70mm STS setup. Ran door to door with 131-132mph trapping cars.
I made 630rwhp with my STS on a completely 100% stock LS2 @ 8.5psi with my 70mm STS setup. Ran door to door with 131-132mph trapping cars.
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Procharger for sure I have a p1 on 7psi, with an epp boost cam, its making 535hp 475tq at the wheels, gets 23mpg on the highway, well mannered pulls harder and harder as the rpms go up all the way to redline, no lag is the best way to go. plus you wont get that sound out of a turbo.
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Do you have to remove the oil pan to install the return fitting? We use the valve cover return mostly for ease of installation.
I have one on my trailblazer Thanks guys for all the input. Here's the deal. I had decided on STS and ordered one...they dragged their feet and it was taking forever. In the meantime I had a lot of people(like on here) tell me to go Procharger. I called STS to cancel my order..."Oh, well it's already been sent." It figures. But also they charge 20%, yes 20% to return an order. That's like $1100.00. How rediculous is that. So I am stuck with it. I hate to say stuck, but I'm just kind of ticked at their customer service right now as they were supposed to let me know when it shipped. The new updated system with Intercooler looks very sweet, in fact I'm looking at it now. I can't wait to see that IC in the front of my car.
Dude not to get into with you but it is kind of lame for a vendor to bash another vendor!
It is not even close to the same I don't see it as "bashing." I just think they have had their own experiences with the kits. What they're discussing is why I started this thread and keep up with it. But this is not my only source for information. Itis always good to have many points of view. You know...towards one common goal. Fast and fun. lol.
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I prefer supercharging, and went with roots instead.
I like my headers, I paid alot of money for them, installed them, and love the sound of headers. Wouldn't want to ditch them for turbo manifolds. I also like my catback, would never go with an STS kit. Trans Am's look kinda silly without tail pipes.
Turbo is cool, STS is cool I think too, just needs a little work to be a killer kit. The horsepower is "free" but supercharging is simpler, instant power, and easier.
Technology in kits is so good now that lag is negligable.
I like my headers, I paid alot of money for them, installed them, and love the sound of headers. Wouldn't want to ditch them for turbo manifolds. I also like my catback, would never go with an STS kit. Trans Am's look kinda silly without tail pipes.
Turbo is cool, STS is cool I think too, just needs a little work to be a killer kit. The horsepower is "free" but supercharging is simpler, instant power, and easier.
Technology in kits is so good now that lag is negligable.
Back in '02 we worked on a mid engine Ferrari 308 that had a rear mount turbo. Part of the internals of the catalytic converter had broken loose and shot into the turbo, ruining it. Every now and then we'll have a C5 or C6 on our dyno and we'll see bits of the cats on the ground behind the tailpipes, just make sure that if you go with an STS, take the cats off the car. Bob
Last edited by Exotic Performance Plus; Mar 30, 2009 at 02:53 AM.
Can't go wrong with either, but I personaly would go with the Procharger. I have been in a STS car before and it was laggy. I know that there are ways to make them more responsive, but its alot of work.
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you simply cant get a turbo car to sound like that was my point. We do remove the pan to weld a bung on the pan, however a lot of blower kits that use engine oil simply have you poke a hole into the oil pan, then use a tap heavily covered in grease to catch the shavings. If you knew you got all the shavings I suppose this method would work, but it worries me.
Back in '02 we worked on a mid engine Ferrari 308 that had a rear mount turbo. Part of the internals of the catalytic converter had broken loose and shot into the turbo, ruining it. Every now and then we'll have a C5 or C6 on our dyno and we'll see bits of the cats on the ground behind the tailpipes, just make sure that if you go with an STS, take the cats off the car. Bob
Back in '02 we worked on a mid engine Ferrari 308 that had a rear mount turbo. Part of the internals of the catalytic converter had broken loose and shot into the turbo, ruining it. Every now and then we'll have a C5 or C6 on our dyno and we'll see bits of the cats on the ground behind the tailpipes, just make sure that if you go with an STS, take the cats off the car. Bob
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From: DA SUCK,
You're right, a proper turbo set-up is hard to beat. To me a proper turbo set-up has the turbo mounted as close to the heat source as possible. APS has the closest thing to an oem proper turbo set-up that I have seen, that is mass produced and can be had quickly when a customer orders one. Bob
Closer to the heat source is the way to do a turbo, not this remote mount noise lol, trying to make up for lag with header wrap, that will eventually just rust the cheap sts piping. STS cars can still be strong though, with "A LOT" of supporting elements. If I didnt have a custom kit, Id go with a APS over a STS or Procharger. I do wish the APS cars were gravity feed though!
Personal preference I know, but I like the turbo sounds, superior MPG, and a powerband dictated by load instead of RPM's....
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From: DA SUCK,
ur car is an exceptionally strong sts car... most sts GTO's dont run like urs, to say the least lol
I voted STS....We installed an STS kit on my old room mates WS6. The kit was not NEARLY as difficult to install as everybody makes it out to be, and it works great. Also, with a turbo there is no changing pulleys, no worries of belt slip, etc....
-Will
-Will