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Old Jul 7, 2009 | 11:05 PM
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So far, some whom have finished their cars have not posted their numbers. Does anyone honestly think that someone excited that they purchased a blower and told everyone would keep their #'s to themselves if they were happy with them?
Hang on here folks. Bret are you saying that there have been some KB cars finished but the results are not being posted?

What happened to that KB that was going on the 434 cube motor? The one with the Hannibal cam?
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Old Jul 8, 2009 | 12:57 AM
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Arun,

I don't think that one even started.
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There was some bragging on how many of these units were sold during the sale yet we haven't seen many #'s 7 months later. It's easily understood that some folks aren't in a hurry, but come on now.

The Hannibal 434 is still in the works. We'll see what happens. I'll bet if it doesn't make reasonably decent numbers we won't hear from them either.
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Old Jul 8, 2009 | 09:22 AM
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Arun,

I don't think that one even started.
Wasn't that Stainless's car? I haven't seen him on CF board much-then again I can't post much there either-lol!!!!!!
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I can read 250 degree IAT's
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Just so you know, you have no idea what you are talking about. If you new what the word "profits" ment then i would start to explain but yet again people just dont understand. No one said anything about an 8 rib kit, why jump from one thing to the next and then cry more, maybe cause the KB excuses never stop?

And you must be able to predict the future since you know my results?


Just another person who has no idea what they are talking about, what do you guys run in packs these days or just hang from nut to nut???


"Fixed"...You are correct in that the KB swingers never stop with the excuses....looking forward to seeing what your end results are....if I don't hear about them, I'll know!

I'm not one to bicker but to say A&A rips people off is just retarded.
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Originally Posted by outlawdart


it is not for shane or kris to fix or R-n-D a Kit that was to make the numbers to start with. .
R&D = Romove & Discard
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Old Jul 8, 2009 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by eb02z06@ChampionMotors
Wasn't that Stainless's car? I haven't seen him on CF board much-then again I can't post much there either-lol!!!!!!
Wasn't he the cam bleed issue? It gave me second thoughts about using a large split cam as well.

I think the 434 Hannibal post was a different setup but I might be wrong. I am a little discouraged with this board as well ever since it was sold.
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How bout them IAT's

So hot it melted the plastic around the sensor
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**** off!!!!! Are you serious?

I saw this happen with Renegade cars with YSi's and no coolers but they still made over 850 rwhp unlocked with a hydraulic roller. There IAT temps hit 250+ but there only 310 cubes.

How does a 2.8KB compare to a YSi? What's the other blower that's over 3 litres?
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Results are where it's at guys. I've yet to even see a KB car on the internet make numbers and run as well as the centri cars much less in person.

You can argue cfm, IAT's, etc, but that is all just part of a combo after big HP. All things alike the KB doesn't make the numbers.
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Old Jul 9, 2009 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by LS1x2
Results are where it's at guys. I've yet to even see a KB car on the internet make numbers and run as well as the centri cars much less in person.
What about American HP's Vette?
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Originally Posted by Mr. Sandog
What about American HP's Vette?
Link? What did it run?
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Originally Posted by Mr. Sandog
What about American HP's Vette?
Fluke. I know of several builds right now KB"s from American HP and none of them have made over 700rwh and everything was speced by American HP. I know of one guy that is so disappointed with his setup that he will not even post numbers.
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Originally Posted by 02SSLE
It's awful funny you make fun of someone else for doing the same thing. I posted why I speced a cam near the beging of the thread. I guess maybe you can't read or read what you want and ignore the facts.
Im not going to read through the whole thread after you guys made a crap pile out of it dummy. Its just a shame people cant even take a joke. If you can tell my car is not done by my previous posts then the jokes on you.

I didnt look back to check cause im old and lazy, but did you ever answer my question about....

Did you tell the guy you sold your blower to that it no longer has a warranty before you sold it to him???

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Just another person who has no idea what they are talking about, what do you guys run in packs these days or just hang from nut to nut???
this is a real screw blower that will kick *** of the largest 1871 roots style supercharger, but you can tell it's twice the size of the largest roots and it's not the cute little "AQUARIUM PUMP Kenny Bell" Show me some real world numbers or time slips and video on the kenny bell on a LS chevy and I will be the first to take my hat of and say good job [/QUOTE]


Congrats you have a real screw blower. The problem is its a rooooooots blower not a screw blower if you even know the diffrence. And whats your point? You can slap a big blower on a big motor job well done. UFTW


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If you're looking for proof, you're in the wrong place. This is the place where they don't put up and don't shut up my friend. Just lots of my car's gonna do this and that when it's done.

So far, some whom have finished their cars have not posted their numbers. Does anyone honestly think that someone excited that they purchased a blower and told everyone would keep their #'s to themselves if they were happy with them?
Who finsihed there car and didnt post up? I would like to know? Im not "scared" to post up. If i make 10 hp then i will tell you i made 10 hp i dont gotta make anything up to make a bunch of people on the internet feel stupid.


Originally Posted by eb02z06@ChampionMotors
Hang on here folks. Bret are you saying that there have been some KB cars finished but the results are not being posted?

What happened to that KB that was going on the 434 cube motor? The one with the Hannibal cam?
I would like to know what he is talking about as well. Mine (stainless) is the 434 motor, and i didnt finish it Arun, hows yours coming last i saw you were really clost to 8's man must feel good in that animal!


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Arun,

I don't think that one even started.
Nope.

Originally Posted by eb02z06@ChampionMotors
Wasn't that Stainless's car? I haven't seen him on CF board much-then again I can't post much there either-lol!!!!!!
Yea i just dont have the time anymore with my new job buddy that and any site i cant post a street race on, well yea you know the rest...

Originally Posted by viper9403
"Fixed"...You are correct in that the KB swingers never stop with the excuses....looking forward to seeing what your end results are....if I don't hear about them, I'll know!

I'm not one to bicker but to say A&A rips people off is just retarded.
Im not saying they "rip" people off. I really like a&a and think they are a great company.
If you new what kind of money some of those companys were really making off you then maybe you would understand.

O you will hear about them im not going anywhere. 1000rwhp 1200rwhp or 800rwhp im not going anywhere and will be glad to provide results for
Say whatever you want at the end of the day all your doing is running your mouth on the internet about nothing.

Originally Posted by Z06PSI
Wasn't he the cam bleed issue? It gave me second thoughts about using a large split cam as well.

I think the 434 Hannibal post was a different setup but I might be wrong. I am a little discouraged with this board as well ever since it was sold.
Nope that was the 416 ls3 that had that rediculous cam in it. He had a 14psi pulley on i believe and only made like 7psi lol!!!

Hannibal set up is mine.

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How bout them IAT's

So hot it melted the plastic around the sensor
That wouldnt have anything to do with the system not even being cooled cause it was set up backwards would it?????

Originally Posted by eb02z06@ChampionMotors
**** off!!!!! Are you serious?

I saw this happen with Renegade cars with YSi's and no coolers but they still made over 850 rwhp unlocked with a hydraulic roller. There IAT temps hit 250+ but there only 310 cubes.

How does a 2.8KB compare to a YSi? What's the other blower that's over 3 litres?
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Originally Posted by 02SSLE
Fluke. I know of several builds right now KB"s from American HP and none of them have made over 700rwh and everything was speced by American HP. I know of one guy that is so disappointed with his setup that he will not even post numbers.
I WOULD GLADLY ASK YOU TO PUT UP OR SHUT UP RIGHT NOW SHOW ME THESE BUILDS THAT HE SPEC'D?????????????????????????????????????

Your statement doesnt even make sense. Think about it do people spend thousand upon thousands of dollars to make terrible numbers and then do nothing about it and done even post? NO when they have a problem the first thing they do is come on here and say i only made such and such hp why am i so low? what am i doing wrong? Does anyone have any suggestions?

It always hits the internet. And you think people would just hide and say o know go ahead and buy this blower i wont tell you my numbers but its a great blower?

Im sure your right thought that Jeff's car was a "fluke", such a fluke that he would go and base his main kits off kenne bell for his own shop and just waste hundreds of thousand of dollars to see it all go down the tubes even though he knew it was a waste from the get go.... yeahhhh that makes perfect sense... Get real man. You couldnt set anything up properly on your car and got in over your head and before you new it you were drilling your intake out and using incorrect sensors just because they look the same



AND JUST AN FYI here im not against all your centri guys i have run centri set ups and love them to death but twin screw is fun on the street if you have ever been in one. Im honeslty not worried at all about mine make the power im looking for. However if it doesnt, then it doesnt, and ill be like every other person on here and go buy a huge centri (joking)
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Well one off the top of my head is Robert Miller 590RWH and 570 rwt on a 402, TF 235 heads 14psi. Does that sound familiar? Sounds like typical shitty numbers out of this kit. Cam was speced by Jeff. Build was done with Jeff's recommendations.

The sensor issue was after the Intercooler was setup right.


As for the warranty it was up this month anyway so I seen no reason to bring that up and he didn't ask. Breecher also had IAT's in the 250. So it's not just my old system. I just don't know why you are so protective of this system and you don't even have one up and running. You will see for yourself when you get yours going I am sure.

Jeff also made an *** of himself throwing a fit about the air intake inlet. Is seemed to be because he got wind of Roger having both intakes and going to put them on the dyno to show real world difference if any. It would have been nice to get results to know if that really helped of fixed the issue.
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