Forced Induction Superchargers | Turbochargers | Intercoolers

Done for the season

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 08-17-2009, 10:13 AM
  #41  
TECH Senior Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (21)
 
Fireball's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Cecil County Raceway!!!
Posts: 8,484
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

damn...after further research, looks like GMPP would require a non-serpentine balancer too (for size issues). That puts it in the same ballpark as Kurt's setup...
Fireball is offline  
Old 08-17-2009, 10:53 AM
  #42  
Launching!
 
Shearer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Northern Chicago
Posts: 240
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

What kind of crank trigger are you guys using?
Shearer is offline  
Old 08-17-2009, 10:59 AM
  #43  
TECH Senior Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (21)
 
Fireball's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Cecil County Raceway!!!
Posts: 8,484
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Shearer
What kind of crank trigger are you guys using?

BS3 24 tooth external.

Have tried OEM trigger with truck coils
BS3 trigger with truck coils
BS3 trigger with LS7 coils

same result each time.

Wasn't ever a problem until we crossed 24 psi
Fireball is offline  
Old 08-17-2009, 11:57 AM
  #44  
6 Second Club Moderator
iTrader: (7)
 
LASTLS1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Lombard .IL
Posts: 3,682
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Fireball
its not cam/crank related. I had my BS3 updated and ran their external crank trigger. Advance held constant and it still backfired.
One of my friends had a BS3 box go bad, they repaired it pretty quick. I'll be trying the external crank trigger soon! I just had my software updated, I hope I don't have issues. I really don't want to go with a distributor.

You'll be happy when it's all sorted out, get it done!
LASTLS1 is offline  
Old 08-17-2009, 12:03 PM
  #45  
7 Second Club
iTrader: (11)
 
Phil99vette's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Port Tobacco, MD
Posts: 8,758
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by LASTLS1
One of my friends had a BS3 box go bad, they repaired it pretty quick. I'll be trying the external crank trigger soon! I just had my software updated, I hope I don't have issues. I really don't want to go with a distributor.

You'll be happy when it's all sorted out, get it done!
Hope you have better luck that EVERYONE else. I do not know 1 person who has ran it successfully.
Phil99vette is offline  
Old 08-17-2009, 12:04 PM
  #46  
10 Second Club
iTrader: (5)
 
DanZ28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Cali/Bay Area
Posts: 3,412
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

You think about using the 7531 box/coil for ignition control with a distributor and flying magnet and just use BS3 for Fuel? Gives you more options with the ability to ride dots if you wanted, seems most are using this with a Jesel setup, pricey though.
DanZ28 is offline  
Old 08-17-2009, 12:11 PM
  #47  
TECH Senior Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (21)
 
Fireball's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Cecil County Raceway!!!
Posts: 8,484
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by DanZ28
You think about using the 7531 box/coil for ignition control with a distributor and flying magnet and just use BS3 for Fuel? Gives you more options with the ability to ride dots if you wanted, seems most are using this with a Jesel setup, pricey though.
BS3 will still control timing too...just won't have to power the coil(s). Just provide a signal...
Fireball is offline  
Old 08-17-2009, 12:12 PM
  #48  
10 Second Club
iTrader: (26)
 
02SSLE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Conway, AR
Posts: 1,407
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

I hope you guys get it figured out man.
02SSLE is offline  
Old 08-17-2009, 12:54 PM
  #49  
10 Second Club
iTrader: (5)
 
DanZ28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Cali/Bay Area
Posts: 3,412
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Fireball
BS3 will still control timing too...just won't have to power the coil(s). Just provide a signal...
Yeah, I was just thinking you could ditch the BS3 completely from controlling ignition including timing along with ditching the OEM coils, 7531 has much better control and some nicer features i just don't know if you need it or not. This is the route I'm going seeing what some of the other big hitters are doing and why they did it...Hopefully the BS3 is the issue and can be fixed for you cheap enough...
DanZ28 is offline  
Old 08-17-2009, 12:55 PM
  #50  
Launching!
 
Shearer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Northern Chicago
Posts: 240
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

You aren't running an ignition amplifier of any sort? Look into an M&W box if not.
Shearer is offline  
Old 08-18-2009, 11:15 AM
  #51  
427
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (3)
 
427's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Clayton, North Carolina
Posts: 3,898
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts

Default

I wish I new the absolute fix for this, but I don't. Have a few theories of how to fix it and will be testing them over time.
Mike had the misfire problem at high RPM/boost, and the most reliable fix right now is the dist set up. His engine did have a bent crank trigger caused by running into the #8 piston, but the external wheel should have fixed it if that was the problem. The problem seems to be in the front cover (LS2) equiped engines with the cam/crank relationship changing at high rpm. I did run my engine 9000+rpm with 32 psi resulting in a 6 second pass with no issues using truck coils and a BS3. I would like to see somebody change the front cam signal over to a magnet/hall effect to see if this helps the problem, but it is just an educated guess that may not work.

Kurt
427 is offline  
Old 08-18-2009, 11:52 AM
  #52  
Launching!
 
Shearer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Northern Chicago
Posts: 240
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

So are you guys running an ignition amplifier or not? On the 4cyl stuff with COP we have ran into the limits of the factory ignition at varying levels. Slap an amplifier in and so far any limits with the system have not been seen on cars making 250hp/cyl.
Shearer is offline  
Old 08-18-2009, 12:05 PM
  #53  
7 Second Club
iTrader: (11)
 
Phil99vette's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Port Tobacco, MD
Posts: 8,758
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts

Default

The problem isn't the coils, Micks performance had ran standard truck coils on 3000hp methanol setups. The problem is in the BS3/sensors.
Phil99vette is offline  
Old 08-18-2009, 12:21 PM
  #54  
TECH Senior Member
Thread Starter
iTrader: (21)
 
Fireball's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Cecil County Raceway!!!
Posts: 8,484
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by 427
I wish I new the absolute fix for this, but I don't. Have a few theories of how to fix it and will be testing them over time.
Mike had the misfire problem at high RPM/boost, and the most reliable fix right now is the dist set up. His engine did have a bent crank trigger caused by running into the #8 piston, but the external wheel should have fixed it if that was the problem. The problem seems to be in the front cover (LS2) equiped engines with the cam/crank relationship changing at high rpm. I did run my engine 9000+rpm with 32 psi resulting in a 6 second pass with no issues using truck coils and a BS3. I would like to see somebody change the front cam signal over to a magnet/hall effect to see if this helps the problem, but it is just an educated guess that may not work.

Kurt
Kurt, I just sent you a PM with another theory of mine...let me know what you think
Fireball is offline  
Old 08-18-2009, 09:32 PM
  #55  
6 Second Club Moderator
iTrader: (7)
 
LASTLS1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Lombard .IL
Posts: 3,682
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Phil99vette
Hope you have better luck that EVERYONE else. I do not know 1 person who has ran it successfully.



That's just wht I wanted to hear!
LASTLS1 is offline  
Old 08-18-2009, 10:27 PM
  #56  
TECH Resident
iTrader: (46)
 
SMKN TA 95's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Some where in the Corn Fields of Illinois
Posts: 821
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by LASTLS1
That's just wht I wanted to hear!
Mine is working, just haven't got it 100% tested right. But I'm a nitrous motor and not a turbo setup..... We will see how it goes.

Nice talking to ya tonight Fireball
SMKN TA 95 is offline  
Old 08-18-2009, 10:29 PM
  #57  
Launching!
 
Shearer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Northern Chicago
Posts: 240
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Phil99vette
The problem isn't the coils, Micks performance had ran standard truck coils on 3000hp methanol setups. The problem is in the BS3/sensors.
So does a Motec box sound tempting yet?
Shearer is offline  
Old 08-19-2009, 07:54 AM
  #58  
7 Second Club
iTrader: (11)
 
Phil99vette's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Port Tobacco, MD
Posts: 8,758
Likes: 0
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Shearer
So does a Motec box sound tempting yet?
Joe from tempest wants me to go to a Motec, I am happy with my BS3/Distributor setup.
Phil99vette is offline  
Old 08-21-2009, 11:06 AM
  #59  
7 Second Club
iTrader: (18)
 
BlwnTA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
Posts: 790
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Wow...just caught up to this thread Brian...hang tough.

Sounds like your off suicide watch at least and on the road to recovery, stay with it...we need guys like you out pushing the LS envelop with the rest of us broke idiots, lol.

Mark
BlwnTA is offline  
Old 08-21-2009, 11:30 AM
  #60  
LS1Tech Sponsor
iTrader: (10)
 
hellbents10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Spring Lake, MI
Posts: 4,439
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts

Default

Kurt we are currently doing one with a MSD hall effect cam senor on the Jesel belt drive, should have results in about a month.

hellbents10 is offline  


Quick Reply: Done for the season



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:01 PM.