Front or rear mount turbo kit
Yea I agree... I've never had an STS, but I have ridden in an STS car and I have to say I wasn't overly impressed, probably or many of the reasons that you listed...
Bottom line in my mind is that there are some STS cars out there showing some real speed, and the system does have its place, but I think for people willing to work at it, and do some mods, front is optimal in most every area.
Bottom line in my mind is that there are some STS cars out there showing some real speed, and the system does have its place, but I think for people willing to work at it, and do some mods, front is optimal in most every area.
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Fastest Turbo LS vehicle is a vette and has twin rear mounts. Search for major and his silver vette
I have Ridden in and Driven Hawk584's LT1 Rearmount...
The car does pull HARD, hits full boost at 3k, and doesnt want to stop till I shifted at 6.5K- I wasn't sold on them either until he handed the keys to me
Plus its pretty sweet to pop that hood and not see any accessories moved, still drives all day with the AC running...
If you are looking for a street car/ mild track Car I think they are an extremely viable option.
If you want a full drag car... then gut that bitch and stick a 91mm front and center.
The car does pull HARD, hits full boost at 3k, and doesnt want to stop till I shifted at 6.5K- I wasn't sold on them either until he handed the keys to me
Plus its pretty sweet to pop that hood and not see any accessories moved, still drives all day with the AC running...
If you are looking for a street car/ mild track Car I think they are an extremely viable option.
If you want a full drag car... then gut that bitch and stick a 91mm front and center.
I hate when somebody says" I ridden in a sts car and was not impress" Thats just an open ended statement. I have ridden in a front mount car and was not impress, the same goes for supercharge cars just opend ended **** that is pointless. One procharged car dosent represent the entire line up for procharger, The same goes for frontmount turbo cars and sts. If that was the case the performance world would suck. Hell one car makes 320 hp with a ms4 but the dosent stop people from buying them. Face it rearmount setup work for some that take time to get it right, the same goes any other set up.
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I hate when somebody says" I ridden in a sts car and was not impress" Thats just an open ended statement. I have ridden in a front mount car and was not impress, the same goes for supercharge cars just opend ended **** that is pointless. One procharged car dosent represent the entire line up for procharger, The same goes for frontmount turbo cars and sts. If that was the case the performance world would suck. Hell one car makes 320 hp with a ms4 but the dosent stop people from buying them. Face it rearmount setup work for some that take time to get it right, the same goes any other set up.
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I had an STS on my car and it made awesome numbers, but I know that the front mount system will be much more efficient and easier to spool for my 370 and 3 speed swap
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I hate when somebody says" I ridden in a sts car and was not impress" Thats just an open ended statement. I have ridden in a front mount car and was not impress, the same goes for supercharge cars just opend ended **** that is pointless. One procharged car dosent represent the entire line up for procharger, The same goes for frontmount turbo cars and sts. If that was the case the performance world would suck. Hell one car makes 320 hp with a ms4 but the dosent stop people from buying them. Face it rearmount setup work for some that take time to get it right, the same goes any other set up.
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It was put to the test! One speed shop, two 99 ls1 camaro's with same mods besides the Turbo kits. One was a front mount and the other was rear mount, useing the same type Turbo, Wastegate, BOV and intercooler @ 8 psi. Needless to say the one with the front mount won.
They might be more work to do in the front mount and yes when you lift the hood it is noticable to all. But it just depends on your goals in what you want.
Besides not like you can hide it anyways.
Thanks to all with the advice. I know I will need more help here soon.
now. 
to be honest with you i have looked at the sts system when i was buying a turbo kit, and as soon as i seen where the turbo was placed i said no thanks and went with a ls1 motor sport front mount.
i made that choice because i know how turbochargers work. why do you think you never saw a production turbo car or truck with the turbo in the back ? because the engineers are idiots ?
i made that choice because i know how turbochargers work. why do you think you never saw a production turbo car or truck with the turbo in the back ? because the engineers are idiots ?
how about this, you post up a dyno sheet of an sts system and a front mount with the same turbocharger and see witch one makes power sooner and witch one makes more power.
Not trying to be a dick but thats not going to work. A frontmount turbo is sized differant than a rearmount turbo. But your right it will take more boost from a rearmount to equal the boost from a front mount. But to me the allseem to come in around 3.5k an either setup.
To post a claim that the fastest Turbo LS vehicle is a rear mount set up without putting up some proof to back it up is just wrong. Truely in my search to find out which setup is the best to go with.
It was put to the test! One speed shop, two 99 ls1 camaro's with same mods besides the Turbo kits. One was a front mount and the other was rear mount, useing the same type Turbo, Wastegate, BOV and intercooler @ 8 psi. Needless to say the one with the front mount won.
They might be more work to do in the front mount and yes when you lift the hood it is noticable to all. But it just depends on your goals in what you want.
Besides not like you can hide it anyways.
Thanks to all with the advice. I know I will need more help here soon.
It was put to the test! One speed shop, two 99 ls1 camaro's with same mods besides the Turbo kits. One was a front mount and the other was rear mount, useing the same type Turbo, Wastegate, BOV and intercooler @ 8 psi. Needless to say the one with the front mount won.
They might be more work to do in the front mount and yes when you lift the hood it is noticable to all. But it just depends on your goals in what you want.
Besides not like you can hide it anyways.
Thanks to all with the advice. I know I will need more help here soon.
Im switching to a front mount also but its going to be stupid lol! The rearmount was fun I hurt alot of feelings with it lol but yeah its time to get serious.....
There is no argument on the power potential of the the front mount. The deal with Majors' rear mount is he is/was? a drag radial car. My personal opinion is the power management is crucial on those type of cars on the leave. There for, power is softer and predictable on the short times and can lay it down hard once underway. Hence, the "lag" on "that" car works. The heat is in the system after a few seconds on the "brake". Why do front mount cars start pulling front tires at 150ft? Power management, and it is a beautiful sight after that. 60ft times win races. Crazy mph gets you into magazine articles. Opinions?
Not trying to be a dick but thats not going to work. A frontmount turbo is sized differant than a rearmount turbo. But your right it will take more boost from a rearmount to equal the boost from a front mount. But to me the allseem to come in around 3.5k an either setup.
^^ok i see you at least agree with one thing i say
how about all that inter cooler piping ? i am sure you will loose allot of throttle response with that much piping, i see allot of drift cars out there and they try to make all the intercooler piping as short as possible, and they say it is better for throttle response so are they wrong ? or they just do it for show ?
FYI, if your gonna throw majors vette out as an example, then its easy to say that the QUICKEST ANS FASTEST TURBO CAR IN THE WORLD has the turbos in the front.....lol
In reality neither have any real merit on this discussion but since it went there.
Bottom line, I build turbo cars, have some experience for 20 yers or so. I typically have a good choice of turbo cars to drive everyday. There are many more things to consider besides JUST turbo placement...
ease of install.
fabrication required
budget
ease of working on after its put together
power wanted
et wanted
weight
gears
transmission
then way way down the list.....after all that, the answer of were the turbo goes will be apparent. Given the choice....right behind the engine on top of the trans bel housing is best. Is that a rear mount? Its closer to the exhuast port then in front cause you dont have to set it out for the accessories and water pump etc. Does everyone do it? No, because they dont want to do the work required to put there.
In reality neither have any real merit on this discussion but since it went there.
Bottom line, I build turbo cars, have some experience for 20 yers or so. I typically have a good choice of turbo cars to drive everyday. There are many more things to consider besides JUST turbo placement...
ease of install.
fabrication required
budget
ease of working on after its put together
power wanted
et wanted
weight
gears
transmission
then way way down the list.....after all that, the answer of were the turbo goes will be apparent. Given the choice....right behind the engine on top of the trans bel housing is best. Is that a rear mount? Its closer to the exhuast port then in front cause you dont have to set it out for the accessories and water pump etc. Does everyone do it? No, because they dont want to do the work required to put there.