Front or rear mount turbo kit
^^ok i see you at least agree with one thing i say
how about all that inter cooler piping ? i am sure you will loose allot of throttle response with that much piping, i see allot of drift cars out there and they try to make all the intercooler piping as short as possible, and they say it is better for throttle response so are they wrong ? or they just do it for show ?
how about all that inter cooler piping ? i am sure you will loose allot of throttle response with that much piping, i see allot of drift cars out there and they try to make all the intercooler piping as short as possible, and they say it is better for throttle response so are they wrong ? or they just do it for show ?
There is no argument on the power potential of the the front mount. The deal with Majors' rear mount is he is/was? a drag radial car. My personal opinion is the power management is crucial on those type of cars on the leave. There for, power is softer and predictable on the short times and can lay it down hard once underway. Hence, the "lag" on "that" car works. The heat is in the system after a few seconds on the "brake". Why do front mount cars start pulling front tires at 150ft? Power management, and it is a beautiful sight after that. 60ft times win races. Crazy mph gets you into magazine articles. Opinions?
Its all in the tune my throttle response is crisp for a 9.0.1 compression car , I can make the gate flutter just like the front mount guys with light throttle. But rearmounts are fun and work Im going to a front mount because I want a bigger turbo and more power. The most I made is 813 on the rearmount and im looking for 1k.
Does this Paul have something to be proud of? OH Hell Yes! If he set some records why not be pround and talk about it? But out of respect for others lets just say, he was the fastest at that event and set some records. Just out of respect for others.
But the man who ran mid 7's all day. He sure wont help a man out and give some advice. Wont tell you what all he has had done to the car. All anyone knows is that it's a front mount Turbo car and he took it out of state and had it built and no NOS. The had to be checked, well every car had to checked out. Becasue on that race day NOS. was not alowed. How ever he did say if any one beats him that is the only thing left to do.
I dont know about that, lol. I guess more than likely, he has already sold all the stock stuff. By him saying the only thing left was NOS. He's has done maxed out the motor. The millon dollar question is what in the hell has he done to max it out? Him already running mid 7's how much is NOS going to help and is it safe?
My experience just in tuning, I have tuned quite a few Front mount LSx & LTx and a few rear mount. Of course engine specs were not the same so the comparison is probably moot. But I did notice that the front mounts did spool up quicker than the rear, I also tuned one with the turbos at the bell housing and it was a very quick spool time. I think some time people do mods and the results are not up to expectations but refuse to admit it. I have spoke to a few rear mount guys and they all told me they did not like the setup due to the lag then of course there were some that said it was a great system. I guess bottom line if you have, like it, then the heck what other people say..
Last edited by moehorsepower; Sep 24, 2009 at 06:35 AM. Reason: misspelled
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Yes, puting it on the bumper won't win a race. I guess the point I was trying to make was the power of the Fm vs Rm. So much power is killed off the line on the fm and once the power is ramped back in it pulls the front, well past the tree. The rm hit is softer and predictable in comparison. We're on the same page anyway.lol. It's funny how guys across the nation have made Paul Majors into this spooky dude of RM.
Yes, puting it on the bumper won't win a race. I guess the point I was trying to make was the power of the Fm vs Rm. So much power is killed off the line on the fm and once the power is ramped back in it pulls the front, well past the tree. The rm hit is softer and predictable in comparison. We're on the same page anyway.lol. It's funny how guys across the nation have made Paul Majors into this spooky dude of RM.
But to each his own I agree front mounts are better than rearmounts but a well built rearmount can compete with a front mount. Im living proof LOL!
Im out......
i agree!
... and i'll take the word of the guy who built my car, builds 10sec. monsters in vegas and once held a world record for the fastest 6 speed who says my car is well capable of 650+rearwheel and mid to low 10 seconds with an upgraded rearend, and suspension with my little intercooled rearmount turbo and built 385cu.in LT1, over people who have never owned the system... go eff yourself 8nofuukingsnake... & if APS made a kit for the LT1, i would have gone that direction Last edited by hawk584; Sep 24, 2009 at 06:20 PM.
Well you cant really do that lol. But I base my build around flow not sure if anybody else did. There are somethings that sts screwd up on with early kits that they fail to address. So guys like me tweak and tweak to get it right. I bought and did what some boosted guys said it dosent matter with fi. I do know this if you dont have eboost 2 on a rearmount set up then your gonna be hurting. I tried to tell sts that a better boostcontroller on the system will help with the boost lag and drop in the system. My car dosent represent sts in no part that is another reason im dumping the kit because early on I seen some changes to be made and got a cold shoulder but now look at the kit lol that is the work of avarge people with their product just making it better and they walk with it.
But to each his own I agree front mounts are better than rearmounts but a well built rearmount can compete with a front mount. Im living proof LOL!
Im out......
But to each his own I agree front mounts are better than rearmounts but a well built rearmount can compete with a front mount. Im living proof LOL!
Im out......
i agree with that, but it will take the rear mount allot more boost to achieve the same numbers as a front mount, but if you put together two cars with the same motors and everything else and one would have the turbo in the back and one in the front and both are running equal amount's of boost the front mount will win, and let's face it, turbo builds are not cheap.
so my question is why not go with a front mount and do it properly from the start ?
i agree with that, but it will take the rear mount allot more boost to achieve the same numbers as a front mount, but if you put together two cars with the same motors and everything else and one would have the turbo in the back and one in the front and both are running equal amount's of boost the front mount will win, and let's face it, turbo builds are not cheap.
so my question is why not go with a front mount and do it properly from the start ?
so my question is why not go with a front mount and do it properly from the start ?
...you put together two cars with the same motors and everything else and one would have the turbo in the back and one in the front and both are running equal amount's of boost the front mount will win,...
so my question is why not go with a front mount and do it properly from the start ?
so my question is why not go with a front mount and do it properly from the start ?
" dont knock it till you try it " i really don't give a **** if you get a front mount or a rear mount, i am not in the business of selling turbo systems, so i could care less. but i try to educate people so that do not end up spending money on something they are not going to be happy with. and it is always a rear mount guy trying to defend the rear mount system, i do not know if they hate to admit that they spend money on something that was not engineered properly. before you say that the rear mount system is just as good as a front mount system give me some hard evidance. i will give you plenty of upsides on the front mount
faster spool time
more power produced from the same amount of psi
better throttle response due to shorter inter cooler piping
weight's less
no stupid oil lines running to the back of the car, which gives the motor more oil pressure
most of the time scavenger pump not needed for oil return line
air filter on turbo sucking water in wet conditions ?
personally think the system sounds like ****
and for the last time, why not a single production turbo car or truck have the turbo in the back?
i think people that spend millions of dollars on engine engineering know what is proper and what is not, not some stupid company that found an easy way of boosting a car and spend a couple of month on developing a system. i just happen to understand how turbochargers work and when they perform most efficiently, and i tried explaining it to you, but you do not seem to get it threw your thick head, because you hate to admit that i am right
and don't say Porsche 911 turbo, because it has the motor in the back too.
Last edited by elias_799; Sep 24, 2009 at 09:37 PM.
why don't you go try eating **** then ? we all seem to know somehow it will not taste good, but based on you principle we can not say **** will taste like **** because not all of us tried eating it.
yet the fact still remains, i have not dogged on the front mounts or s/c'ed because i have never owned one, yet you say things about a rear-mount that you clearly have never owned and probably base some if not all of your knowledge from things that you have read or heard from someone who had bolted it on and didn't get the performance they thought they should have had. evidently you do give a ****..... i'll agree with you for sure the oiling system sucks. added weight? well, i had my car built to drive not to race so weight i could care less about. i enjoy having A/C and windshield washer fluid. not having to relocate my battery or any thing else that is or may be required to relocate to fabricate a front mount. what's throttle response?how quick spooling is? because mine car was built for the system it spools pretty freaking quick with no lag per what my buddies say as they have driven several turbo cars that did have lag. i've driven mine in the rain plenty of times with no issues ( it's not like i'm aiming for "X" inches of standing water)and the kit comes with a splash guard. STS as it's self is more a fabrication shop over a performance shop so that's probably why no production line of cars have been built but they do have some very nicely built corvettes, either way they are still making $$$ so i guess they are doing something right. in the end no matter what system who ever goes for either super or turbo charged, they are still going to be spending $$, nothing in F.I. is cheap there's a whole sticky about it.
Last edited by hawk584; Sep 24, 2009 at 10:55 PM.
you still do not get what i am trying to tell you, i can place a roots type blower in place of a muffler and drive it with a huge belt from the motor but is it the best way to do things ? NO, so why try it ? when there is already a better solution.
also there are plenty of kits that will let you keep your ac, you just happen"d to opt for the easy and cheap way out, well it will not be cheap, when you reach the level of power when you will have to ditch the rear mount system for a front mount.
and just like you said FI is not cheap, so why not go with the superior turbo system ?
and not production cars have been built with the turbocharger in the back, not because sts is a fabrication shop and will not sell their idea to the automakers, it is becasue the engineers that design the cars know that the turbo is most efficient the closer it is to the heat source
also there are plenty of kits that will let you keep your ac, you just happen"d to opt for the easy and cheap way out, well it will not be cheap, when you reach the level of power when you will have to ditch the rear mount system for a front mount.
and just like you said FI is not cheap, so why not go with the superior turbo system ?
and not production cars have been built with the turbocharger in the back, not because sts is a fabrication shop and will not sell their idea to the automakers, it is becasue the engineers that design the cars know that the turbo is most efficient the closer it is to the heat source
yet the fact still remains, i have not dogged on the front mounts or s/c'ed because i have never owned one, yet you say things about a rear-mount that you clearly have never owned and probably base some if not all of your knowledge from things that you have read or heard from someone who had bolted it on and didn't get the performance they thought they should have had. evidently you do give a ****..... i'll agree with you for sure the oiling system sucks. added weight? well, i had my car built to drive not to race so weight i could care less about. i enjoy having A/C and windshield washer fluid. not having to relocate my battery or any thing else that is or may be required to relocate to fabricate a front mount. what's throttle response?how quick spooling is? because mine car was built for the system it spools pretty freaking quick with no lag per what my buddies say as they have driven several turbo cars that did have lag. i've driven mine in the rain plenty of times with no issues ( it's not like i'm aiming for "X" inches of standing water)and the kit comes with a splash guard. STS as it's self is more a fabrication shop over a performance shop so that's probably why no production line of cars have been built but they do have some very nicely built corvettes, either way they are still making $$$ so i guess they are doing something right. in the end no matter what system who ever goes for either super or turbo charged, they are still going to be spending $$, nothing in F.I. is cheap there's a whole sticky about it.