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Old Dec 18, 2003 | 05:49 PM
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Bryan, sounds good but the problem with the stock computer is that the big injectors might potentially load up and idle poorly. To be honest, I don't see why a FAST would work better than a stock compure as far as pulling out fuel at idle maybe I can get an expert to jump in.
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Old Dec 18, 2003 | 06:19 PM
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Hey John, I was looking at the specs on your blower a d1sc and a f1. The ys trim is smak dab in the middle of the d1sc and the f1. at the rpm that we are spinning our blowers at we are at about the same cfm. You more mid range cfm (larger blower) me more top end (ove spinning mine a bit) It will be cool to compare results!
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Old Dec 18, 2003 | 06:25 PM
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You have a bigger motor than me so it's not quite apples to apples but I might have better heads.
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Old Dec 18, 2003 | 06:26 PM
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I have 57# injectors right now and they have an idle pulsewidth of ~1.9ms. That leaves some room for bigger injectors before you hit the 1.68ms minimum pulsewidth limit in the stock computer.

My idle is only 650rpm on a 5.3L motor so if you have a bigger motor you'll also have a slightly longer idle pulsewidth which will give you more room for bigger injector before you hit the minimum pulsewidth limit.
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Old Dec 18, 2003 | 07:03 PM
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better heads maybe, better intercooler, yes. But I am a 6 speed your a auto... it just think we will have close #s at the wheel.

BTW your internal step-up ratio is 3.45:1
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Old Dec 18, 2003 | 07:16 PM
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I can't use the FAST computer because of several reasons. Let me share.

This will be a truly street driven car. Yes I know it is a bit much, but.

As I live in NC, and this is what really seperates the truly street driven cars from the wannabes and the claimers is, It has to pass NC inspection. For now that is an ODBII test, and you have to have an ODBII computer to pass. Therefore the FAST computer will not work in my application. Plus I want to have all of the functionality of the stock computer, Emission controls, etc...

This car has two real cats on in it, and real o2 sensors on it and I will make that power mark. 850 at the flywheel before 6000 rpm and it will pass inspection and it will run on 93 octane gas. If I cannot make it run on 93 octane gas, it will at least run on 95 octane gas. There is a very inexpensive additive that I can buy for about $1.50 a gallon and it is good for a tank and a half of gas, and it raises the octane to 95-96.

This is a 427 so there should be enough motor there to handle the pulse width of a 72# injector. OR so the computer can handle it. And lastly I am doing it because I can.

I ordered the F1 headunit yesterday, and I am going to sell the prototype 8 rib bracket that I purchased from ATI procharger for the F-body cars. It was modified and works exactly as it should. But when using the F1 blower, it is probably not strong enough and I am going to have it duplicated in steel just for safe measure. I do not want it flexing under boost.
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Old Jul 14, 2004 | 12:21 PM
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I am thinking about doing a supercharger, but making the kit from scratch. My question is which blower would be best for 700+rwhp. Going by flow numbers I have looked at the Paxton Novi 2000 (1700cfm), Vortech YS-trim(1500cfm), and Procharger F1 (1525cfm). Which of these three blowers would be best for a front mount intercooled setup that will see mostly street use? The engine will not be built, but tame, and will be relying mostly on boost. Also, what would be the expected max hp at the wheels to expect with each? Thanks
You cannot go by what ATI says,They claim that the little P600b will make like up to 20 or so pounds of boost and 600 plus horsepower.first of all the boost is calculated on a stock engine with poor flowing heads,Modifide motors with good flowing heads will not make the boost because they are more efficient.I started with the P600 and now I am running the D-1.So far I have made 650 RWHP at 5500 RPM with pump gas.You have to also watch out for over spinning the blower.You can go bigger and adjust with the pullies and not make the supercharger work so hard.If you are looking for a big blower I have the D-1R for sale,the specs are 2000 CFM and 1200 Horsepower,again this is all a moot point.It totally depends on your setup.But if you are looking for around 650-700 RWHP this blower would be ideal for that range.I was asking $1800.00 But I am now asking $1500.00 or a reasonable offer....If you are running a P600 or a D1 It will bolt right up to all of the existing brackets..
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Old Jul 14, 2004 | 01:03 PM
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im over 600rwhp at 6-8psi and now running 10 but havent dynoed yet. Im sure with 12-14 psi I would hit 700 rwhp easily
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Old Jul 14, 2004 | 02:32 PM
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Wow, old thread back from the dead. It seems with the newer tensioners the D1SC is capable of 700rwhp. There have been some nice advances in the past few months to make the ATI work really well. I've decided to hold off boost for now, but when I do get to it, I'm going with a YSi or a Roots/twin screw and cut up the cowl.
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Old Jul 14, 2004 | 02:40 PM
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Well I dumped the ATI bracket, Intercoolers, tubing ect....

I am now running a Procharger F1 head unit, Front mount IC,Custom brackets (blower now faces the correct way, no more reverse facing blower for me) and Cog pulleys. Mid 700 rwhp here I come!
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Old Jul 14, 2004 | 03:12 PM
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That should be a pretty interesting setup, please post pics when its setup
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Old Jul 14, 2004 | 03:16 PM
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I also had to dump the power steering to get it all to fit. I really hope to put down closer to the 800 rwhp mark but I will be satisfied with 740-760 ish range.
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Old Jul 14, 2004 | 03:31 PM
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So would I
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Old Jul 14, 2004 | 03:58 PM
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GTO owners have the option of the 3.3L twin screw from whipple to make 700 rwhp. You just have to arder it from Starr performance down under.
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Old Jul 15, 2004 | 11:49 AM
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Any numbers yet Gordon?
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Old Jul 15, 2004 | 12:44 PM
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Yes but not since the new FMIC, Injectors, and pulleys. And never with a WOT full pass....... Ill post the the finished numbers....
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