help with maxed MAF!!
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help with maxed MAF!! The MAF is not maxed yet as motor is not in it, however at what horse power is the stock MAF max at 600hp? And other than the Fast system is there anyway around it. THANKS
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Originally Posted by 2FAST4U
The MAF is not maxed yet as motor is not in it, however at what horse power is the stock MAF max at 600hp? And other than the Fast system is there anyway around it. THANKS
Depends on what MAF you have, but most are much lower than 600RWHP. (428,450 or 512g/sec).
The way around it is PE Tuning. You basically have to start adding fuel exponentially after the MAF maxes since the base equation is no longer adding fuel. It's not perfect, but it keeps you in the ballpark.
Another option is a ProM universal MAF and some additional electronics to convert it over the ls1 frequency range. Do a search and you will find some info on it.
It sure would be nice to have a direct plug in unit. I'm maxed out too with with only a 3.85" pulley on a P1SC and a small dry shot of nitrous. If I could solve the air fuel problem without a new computer it would be very easy to make a lot more power on this motor. I know I would be willing to pay a bit of a premium for a PnP MAF solution.
Thanks PSJ hopefully some good comes of it, I too would like to see a PNP MAF that can handle high boost/big HP levels. I agree with Ken 100% No new computer, PNP and be priced fairly and they would have a quick sale from me.
How many others would be interested in this from Pro-M?
J
How many others would be interested in this from Pro-M?
J
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Well I also have a 2stage nos kit was jeted at 20 each--dry shots.
And on the new motor and turbos the 2 stage is going to be wet shots
2 50hp shots maybe.
With the wet shot it ands fuel but at the same time big shots need timing removed so power is lost under boost! See the problem it is on going problem!
And on the new motor and turbos the 2 stage is going to be wet shots
2 50hp shots maybe.
With the wet shot it ands fuel but at the same time big shots need timing removed so power is lost under boost! See the problem it is on going problem!
When I was talking to Jim @ Pro-M on the fone, he indicated that the MAF could be calibrated in our software, so it sounds like they can provide a solution that won't max out as quickly as stock does.
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When I was talking to Jim @ Pro-M on the fone, he indicated that the MAF could be calibrated in our software, so it sounds like they can provide a solution that won't max out as quickly as stock does.
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Originally Posted by frcefed98
Thanks PSJ hopefully some good comes of it, I too would like to see a PNP MAF that can handle high boost/big HP levels. I agree with Ken 100% No new computer, PNP and be priced fairly and they would have a quick sale from me.
How many others would be interested in this from Pro-M?
J
How many others would be interested in this from Pro-M?
J
I wonder if they could just redo the curve of a stock MAF and send a flow sheet with it so the MAF table in EDIT could be modified accordingly. The flow sheet could list the actual airflow values in Gm/sec for each frequency in the MAF table.
That way there would be no extra electronics involved and you need Edit no matter what.
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Originally Posted by Pro Stock John
When I was talking to Jim @ Pro-M on the fone, he indicated that the MAF could be calibrated in our software, so it sounds like they can provide a solution that won't max out as quickly as stock does.
Also I forgot to add in my post above that the IFR table would have to be fooled with also.
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Originally Posted by 2FAST4U
The MAF is not maxed yet as motor is not in it, however at what horse power is the stock MAF max at 600hp? And other than the Fast system is there anyway around it. THANKS
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Originally Posted by XLR8NSS
When you say "calibrated in our software" whose software are you talking about?
Also I forgot to add in my post above that the IFR table would have to be fooled with also.
Also I forgot to add in my post above that the IFR table would have to be fooled with also.
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PNP Solution
Originally Posted by Ken G
It sure would be nice to have a direct plug in unit. I'm maxed out too with with only a 3.85" pulley on a P1SC and a small dry shot of nitrous. If I could solve the air fuel problem without a new computer it would be very easy to make a lot more power on this motor. I know I would be willing to pay a bit of a premium for a PnP MAF solution.
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PNP Solution
Originally Posted by 2FAST4U
The MAF is not maxed yet as motor is not in it, however at what horse power is the stock MAF max at 600hp? And other than the Fast system is there anyway around it. THANKS
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Originally Posted by 2FAST4U
The MAF is not maxed yet as motor is not in it, however at what horse power is the stock MAF max at 600hp? And other than the Fast system is there anyway around it. THANKS
Lastly a 512g/sec meter equates to about 1836 kg/hr or 918 cfm or 1.6 cfm per hp for a properly tuned engine. This works out to about 573hp at the engine, but again you will have added pressure drop thru the meter.
Jim,
Thanks for the information! I asked my tuner to take a look at this thread and tell me if he thinks any of these options will work well with my setup. If so I'll be giving you a call.
-Ken
Thanks for the information! I asked my tuner to take a look at this thread and tell me if he thinks any of these options will work well with my setup. If so I'll be giving you a call.
-Ken
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Ken, Interesting to me to. My MAF is the only thing holding me back from more boost.
Kevin, will this work on my set up to????
This could be my ticket!!!!!!!! Oh baby.
Kevin, will this work on my set up to????
This could be my ticket!!!!!!!! Oh baby.
Thanks Jim for commng on here and answering our questions.
I do think alot of us would want a direct plug n play large bore MAF meter (3rd option your talking about) so please hurry and devolop one, and if you need a test specimn id be more willing to help, as other would be.
also how come some people on here can get away with over 700rwhp with the stock MAF meter, like Raymer's new forumla?
I do think alot of us would want a direct plug n play large bore MAF meter (3rd option your talking about) so please hurry and devolop one, and if you need a test specimn id be more willing to help, as other would be.
also how come some people on here can get away with over 700rwhp with the stock MAF meter, like Raymer's new forumla?
Originally Posted by smokinHawk
also how come some people on here can get away with over 700rwhp with the stock MAF meter, like Raymer's new forumla?