Boosted Cars are not very Quick!!!!
Boosted Cars are not very Quick!!!! Guys, in terms of quarter mile performance it seems with the exception of maybe ONE car, boosted cars are getting their lunches handed to them by juiced cars and even NA cars. Why is that???
I see all these great dyno numbers but no really good 1/4 mile times. For example, you have 13 cars in the juiced list that have run high nines or better and only 1 notable BOOSTED example in the 8's and one more that BARELY broke into the nines. In fact there are two NA cars in the nines that I know about just here in Texas. If you compare DYNO numbers, some of the boosted cars have as much as 100-150 MORE HP but are slower at the strip where it counts.
The only theory I can come with is that the boosted cars are not producing power QUICK enough or the engine management systems are inadequate for boosted situations. I personally would really like to run a turbo setup but I will be dammned if I will do that and get my *** handed to me by a juiced or even NA car.
All input is welcomed!!!!
I see all these great dyno numbers but no really good 1/4 mile times. For example, you have 13 cars in the juiced list that have run high nines or better and only 1 notable BOOSTED example in the 8's and one more that BARELY broke into the nines. In fact there are two NA cars in the nines that I know about just here in Texas. If you compare DYNO numbers, some of the boosted cars have as much as 100-150 MORE HP but are slower at the strip where it counts.
The only theory I can come with is that the boosted cars are not producing power QUICK enough or the engine management systems are inadequate for boosted situations. I personally would really like to run a turbo setup but I will be dammned if I will do that and get my *** handed to me by a juiced or even NA car.
All input is welcomed!!!!
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I completely agree with this. I've been saying the same thing for several years actually. I think it can still be chalked up to growing pains (poor ECM controls, head bolt design, belt slippage w/ the supercharged crowd). I'd just like to think that a 400+ci motor w/ a large turbo/blower should be able to crack a 9 pretty easily and a race motor w/ a race charger should be able to knock out a low 8. 
easy answer, for every 10 boost cars there are 100 nitrous cars.. like comparing fast mustangs out there to fast f bodies. apples and oranges
on top of that most people go boost rout to retain driving manners IE street car not set up for exclusive drag racing.. simple enough?
on top of that most people go boost rout to retain driving manners IE street car not set up for exclusive drag racing.. simple enough?
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Don`t make fun of us cause were slow. 
J/K...I think there are alot of FI cars runing times that are inline with there power #s the big problem is traction. Most of the FI cars are only puting down around 500-600rwhp and runing 10-11sec 1/4mi times or mph is good but there 60ft and 1/4mi times suck becase they don`t have the suspension to hook at the track. FI is very expensive and to build a FI motor and suspension that is capable of low 10s or 9s is out of some of our budgets for now. Give it time and the FI cars will be running with the nitrous and N/A cars
Another thing to look at is the race weights of these cars. Like MIGHTYMOUSE said, most people install blowers to retain street manners, and thus also tend to have much higher race weights because it's primarily a street car without things removed.
Originally Posted by MIGHTYMOUSE
easy answer, for every 10 boost cars there are 100 nitrous cars.. like comparing fast mustangs out there to fast f bodies. apples and oranges
on top of that most people go boost rout to retain driving manners IE street car not set up for exclusive drag racing.. simple enough?
on top of that most people go boost rout to retain driving manners IE street car not set up for exclusive drag racing.. simple enough?
Good points regarding the weight issue. I know most if not all of the juiced 9's cars are less than full weight. I want to run FULL weight and low nines but even with 18-20 pounds of boost, high nines seem to be the best one could hope for at this time.
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Originally Posted by MIGHTYMOUSE
easy answer, for every 10 boost cars there are 100 nitrous cars.. like comparing fast mustangs out there to fast f bodies. apples and oranges
on top of that most people go boost rout to retain driving manners IE street car not set up for exclusive drag racing.. simple enough?
on top of that most people go boost rout to retain driving manners IE street car not set up for exclusive drag racing.. simple enough?
Lastly, Boosted cars have to "Build" Boost. A nitrous car has instant power and torque at the push of a button, you hit a 300 shot you have +300hp/tq at 2000rpm -- you can't do that with a boosted car.
Therefore a Nitrous car at the track will always remain the fastest on a consistant basis but how much fun is all that speed if you can't play with it on the street unless you have enough room to make a good run. With a boosted car you can drive around just giving a little gas to feel the power and not drive like a maniac.
I am going for the STS turbo kit cause it'll work great on the street and I get to enjoy the turbo. I might bring procharger back on the table if their new 8-rib system works out, even then I still don't like the idea of changing belts every 8-10k miles or less.
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[QUOTE=sr71bb] there's really no realistic way to run quicker than a juiced car that is set up properly. QUOTE]
Then why don`t you go line up with Harlan,rob raymer, Prostock, or Mighty mouse.
Then why don`t you go line up with Harlan,rob raymer, Prostock, or Mighty mouse.
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the more people there are running boost the more percent of them will have the $$ to fund what it takes to support a boost car.. then that percentage has to have a percentage that actually drag races and after that they have to WANT to make a race car out of their car..
i still think i am absolutely correct.. if you dont want opinions then dont ask.. you seem to have your mind made up.
track times are hp, weight, and traction.. we are behind on the second two.. there is theres just no way to make a stripped FI car weigh the same as a stripped nitrous car.. just more stuff...but the season is just about to start
the more people there are running boost the more percent of them will have the $$ to fund what it takes to support a boost car.. then that percentage has to have a percentage that actually drag races and after that they have to WANT to make a race car out of their car..
i still think i am absolutely correct.. if you dont want opinions then dont ask.. you seem to have your mind made up.
track times are hp, weight, and traction.. we are behind on the second two.. there is theres just no way to make a stripped FI car weigh the same as a stripped nitrous car.. just more stuff...but the season is just about to start
MM, I DON'T have my mind up. I WANT to run a turbo but I don't want throw a bunch of money at it and find out there's no way to be quicker than a juiced car in the quarter. You guys are the ones that are pioneers in this boosted area.
I sincerely want to know what it might take to make this happen because it hasn't happened yet. I guess what I am asking is what do you guys see as the boosted limitations and how and IF they can be overcome in regards to a car being quarter mile quick.
So a recipe please, for a low nine second boosted car that weights 3700 pounds with me in it that I can drive every day. DO we have the technology or not????
I sincerely want to know what it might take to make this happen because it hasn't happened yet. I guess what I am asking is what do you guys see as the boosted limitations and how and IF they can be overcome in regards to a car being quarter mile quick.
So a recipe please, for a low nine second boosted car that weights 3700 pounds with me in it that I can drive every day. DO we have the technology or not????
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Sure if you have the $30000 to do it and the car. A 427ci FI motor 8.5:1comp. with the turbo tech race kit and a T88 turbo 16psi. Fast or gen7 engine management. Th400 trans, 9in rearend and a huge fuel system with a sumped tank to support it. With that you should be seeing 8sec. 1/4mi times. Won`t get much for gas milage but Man would this setup be fun.
[QUOTE=MYTURBOT/A] I respect what those guys have done with boosted motors but they would be no match quite frankly with my son's car. I am trying to build a boosted setup that would compete with him myself and that's the point of this post to find out how and IF it can be done
Originally Posted by sr71bb
there's really no realistic way to run quicker than a juiced car that is set up properly. QUOTE]
Then why don`t you go line up with Harlan,rob raymer, Prostock, or Mighty mouse.
Then why don`t you go line up with Harlan,rob raymer, Prostock, or Mighty mouse.
Originally Posted by MYTURBOT/A
Sure if you have the $30000 to do it and the car. A 427ci FI motor 8.5:1comp. with the turbo tech race kit and a T88 turbo 16psi. Fast or gen7 engine management. Th400 trans, 9in rearend and a huge fuel system with a sumped tank to support it. With that you should be seeing 8sec. 1/4mi times. Won`t get much for gas milage but Man would this setup be fun.
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I was thinking 6.0 iron block or even a ls6, would be sufficent with a set of stg3 ls6 heads. Have the heads and block O-ringed and you won`t have any problems lifting heads. with a good tune and some excellent driving 8s are no problem for an aluminum motor IMO. Rob is making 750 with a stock motor which should be enough for 9s with a good launch and run. With a bone stock motor!
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[QUOTE=sr71bb]I respect what those guys have done with boosted motors but they would be no match quite frankly with my son's car.
What are his times? He would have to be running a Head cam motor with about a 500shot on it which is not the norm for a nitrous car.
Theres always somone out there faster then you are you can`t win them all. just like i will never be running in the same class as the guys i just mentioned above.
Every power adder has it`s top dogs that most of us will never beat but still try .
What are his times? He would have to be running a Head cam motor with about a 500shot on it which is not the norm for a nitrous car.
Theres always somone out there faster then you are you can`t win them all. just like i will never be running in the same class as the guys i just mentioned above.
Every power adder has it`s top dogs that most of us will never beat but still try . 
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Trap speed equals power.
I see all the FI guys making great numbers there.
That tells me their cars aren't as well set up for the 1/4 as the n/a / nitrous guys.
So look at what your son's car traps, look at what some of the boosted guys trap, find a setup that traps higher, then build a ligher car than your son with more tire and you should be there.
I see all the FI guys making great numbers there.
That tells me their cars aren't as well set up for the 1/4 as the n/a / nitrous guys.
So look at what your son's car traps, look at what some of the boosted guys trap, find a setup that traps higher, then build a ligher car than your son with more tire and you should be there.
[QUOTE=MYTURBOT/A] Why do you assume this???? Juiced cars with much less HP are out running boosted cars, that's the point of this post. NA 550RWHP LS1 ran a 9.69 (Yes I was there). We have a NA corvette down here that is running mid tens and several fbodies that are. ALL of these have considerably less HP than some of the boosted cars. BTW my son's car is running much less than that 500HP you threw out there but I am not going to talk about his setup because he has asked me not to. It will be public knowledge soon enough however!!! LOL.
Z98 --- Great Point!!!!
Originally Posted by sr71bb
I respect what those guys have done with boosted motors but they would be no match quite frankly with my son's car.
What are his times? He would have to be running a Head cam motor with about a 500shot on it which is not the norm for a nitrous car.
Theres always somone out there faster then you are you can`t win them all. just like i will never be running in the same class as the guys i just mentioned above. Every power adder has it`s top dogs that most of us will never beat but still try .
What are his times? He would have to be running a Head cam motor with about a 500shot on it which is not the norm for a nitrous car.
Theres always somone out there faster then you are you can`t win them all. just like i will never be running in the same class as the guys i just mentioned above.
Every power adder has it`s top dogs that most of us will never beat but still try .Z98 --- Great Point!!!!