Incon T/c
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Incon T/c ok i understand that they dont make this kit anymore. But I also here its one of the badest kits out there. I heard that the main dude supplying these kits took the money and ran leaving alot of people screwed..Im wondering who took over the developement of these kits...if anyone at all did. If no one has... i might be working hard this summer locating people with incon kits to replicate.........anyone know if a different company took over? or are there just the single kits out now?
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as far as I know, no one took over.
The kit is good quality, had it's issues, but performed well.
It served me for a couple years without major issues from the kit it self. But i out grew it
The kit is good quality, had it's issues, but performed well.
It served me for a couple years without major issues from the kit it self. But i out grew it
nobody is currently producing or even doing research to my knowledge into replicating these kits.
I have considered it, but without some good venture capital, you will have a hard time.
the retail price on the parts, vs the kits 4500 sale price, left little room for profits, and the LARGE amount of money dumped into the test car, didn't help either. I don't think he ran off with the money, i believe the money was spent, and wasn't there to buy parts, to fill orders.
Ryan
I have considered it, but without some good venture capital, you will have a hard time.
the retail price on the parts, vs the kits 4500 sale price, left little room for profits, and the LARGE amount of money dumped into the test car, didn't help either. I don't think he ran off with the money, i believe the money was spent, and wasn't there to buy parts, to fill orders.
Ryan
Originally Posted by 00Streak
yeah i see your new one and ill bet it performs much better......hey you still making 2 steps???
still making all my stuff
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the install you have on your site.. that is for the incon right.. i see the but pip on the intake.. who made you newest set up and was it easier to go in? or did you not put it in..sorry bout all the q's.. im just seeing you engine bay in the pic and drooling...
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yeah, the install on my site is of the incon.
The current setup i fab'ed and installed. Can't really say it's easier, since it was custom made to fit the car. And the car was "made to fit" the kit
The current setup i fab'ed and installed. Can't really say it's easier, since it was custom made to fit the car. And the car was "made to fit" the kit
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Originally Posted by y2khawk
yeah, the install on my site is of the incon.
And the car was "made to fit" the kit
And the car was "made to fit" the kit
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Originally Posted by 00Streak
ok i understand that they dont make this kit anymore. But I also here its one of the badest kits out there. I heard that the main dude supplying these kits took the money and ran leaving alot of people screwed..Im wondering who took over the developement of these kits...if anyone at all did. If no one has... i might be working hard this summer locating people with incon kits to replicate.........anyone know if a different company took over? or are there just the single kits out now?
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The only people who could reasonably reproduce the kits would be Ligenfelter. They basically use the same design for the Vettes. Which Incon designed and built. Not sure if someone else is building there kits or if Lingenfelter is now doing it themselves after the Incon fiasco. But as we all know if Lingenfelter is involved it is going to cost big $$$$.\
If your interested and buying a kit. I know where one is.
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Originally Posted by TwnTrboCE
The Incon kit is by far the best turbo kit ever produced. But as we all know if Lingenfelter is involved it is going to cost big $$$$.\
If your interested and buying a kit. I know where one is.
If your interested and buying a kit. I know where one is.
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if someone or company is making these or planning too, they are sitting on a gold mine. I had one on my mustang.... i can say everything fit perfectly, performed perfectly and was made to last. The demand is huge, not just in the f-body community but all the mustang guys. I bet an Incon TT '03 cobra would do right well
The reason i sold mine was because i was afraid if i ever needed parts, i wouldn't be able to get them.
The reason i sold mine was because i was afraid if i ever needed parts, i wouldn't be able to get them.
Could it really cost that much to reproduce. It seems to me, having a complete example, you would be able to buy all the necessary hardware, and the silicone hose, either pttern off the example or contract to have made (taiwan is soo cheap nowadays ), and with all the interest, might even be enough capital to get it going.
Anyone into fabbing one up?
), and with all the interest, might even be enough capital to get it going. Anyone into fabbing one up?
Could it really cost that much to reproduce. It seems to me, having a complete example, you would be able to buy all the necessary hardware, and the silicone hose, either pttern off the example or contract to have made (taiwan is soo cheap nowadays ), and with all the interest, might even be enough capital to get it going.
Anyone into fabbing one up?
), and with all the interest, might even be enough capital to get it going. Anyone into fabbing one up?
If somebody could track down the molds for the manafolds
that would be the biggest thing
they have to be somewere along with the other tools
if you get the manafolds and backpeice to the turbo, all you really have to do is route the piping which can be done by an exaust shop.
that would be the biggest thing
they have to be somewere along with the other tools
if you get the manafolds and backpeice to the turbo, all you really have to do is route the piping which can be done by an exaust shop.
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see this is what im talking about. If i could replicate a current incon kit. rename it procon or something like that. i wouldnt have near the R&D expenses. Just have to make molds of the entire kit. and then get to calling places and subcontracting out labor......there could be a kit in full production within no time..perhaps maybe someone that has an incon kit already uninstalled... that may be willing to do a joint, deal........anyone cough cough..... 
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that may be willing to do a joint, deal........anyone cough cough..... S
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Remember guys, it's not just the design, its the whole supply chain and manufacturing process that you need to identify because they have sunk development costs that you want to avoid too.
Rob and the active kit manufacturers can tell you how much fun it is to get a supplier to produce in the small quantities (anything less than 500 a year is small for automtoive manufacturing and less than 100 is community service ) that we are talking about. Every time a supplier gets a "real job" your run of 10 or 20 manifolds or batch of 20 turbos will hit the end of the line. It's these delays that killed the original kit and have caused others to struggle. The only way to avoid that is to pay a premium to the suppiers which in turn means you won't see a $4.5-$5K price for a kit that someone with basic skills can install.
It's not impossible to do but it takes a lot more planning and common sense than Dave ever used from a business perspective. I'm sure that the other manufacturers have used Incon as the model of what not to do from a production and customer satisfaction stand point. It's kind of like how major business use the DCX deal as a perfect example of what a merger of equals is not.
Rick
Rob and the active kit manufacturers can tell you how much fun it is to get a supplier to produce in the small quantities (anything less than 500 a year is small for automtoive manufacturing and less than 100 is community service
) that we are talking about. Every time a supplier gets a "real job" your run of 10 or 20 manifolds or batch of 20 turbos will hit the end of the line. It's these delays that killed the original kit and have caused others to struggle. The only way to avoid that is to pay a premium to the suppiers which in turn means you won't see a $4.5-$5K price for a kit that someone with basic skills can install.It's not impossible to do but it takes a lot more planning and common sense than Dave ever used from a business perspective. I'm sure that the other manufacturers have used Incon as the model of what not to do from a production and customer satisfaction stand point. It's kind of like how major business use the DCX deal as a perfect example of what a merger of equals is not.
Rick
2001-WS6 hit it right on the head.... we deal with these exact same problems at work on some of the low volume products i work with... it gets VERY expensive and lead times get lengthy.
The real expensive part is the cast manifolds... getting these molds made is an unreal cost. Here is a guy who is making his own Incon manifold so he can replace the cast ones with tubular steel. I think the mustang's manifolds are far more difficult.... so i don't know why the F-body ones couldn't be made. Probably the next hard part would be the formed silicon tubing... i think there are only 2 or so vendors that make this? This could be replaced with a few pieces of steel/Al/SS tubing just like any other kit...but there is a little R&D there.
here is the link: http://www.turbomustangs.com/forums/...threadid=12351
The real expensive part is the cast manifolds... getting these molds made is an unreal cost. Here is a guy who is making his own Incon manifold so he can replace the cast ones with tubular steel. I think the mustang's manifolds are far more difficult.... so i don't know why the F-body ones couldn't be made. Probably the next hard part would be the formed silicon tubing... i think there are only 2 or so vendors that make this? This could be replaced with a few pieces of steel/Al/SS tubing just like any other kit...but there is a little R&D there.
here is the link: http://www.turbomustangs.com/forums/...threadid=12351
If the original cast molds could be found, a small shop could do the pouring of those most would love extra business, i know lots that would do it.
the silicon tubing could be replaced with aluminized tubing
the turbos could be bout from garet or doesnt even lingifelter supply them
the oil scavenging pumps bought by a supplier
anyone know how to track down the molds? anyone with contacts.
i bet they could be bought, there probably just collecting dust.
the silicon tubing could be replaced with aluminized tubing
the turbos could be bout from garet or doesnt even lingifelter supply them
the oil scavenging pumps bought by a supplier
anyone know how to track down the molds? anyone with contacts.
i bet they could be bought, there probably just collecting dust.
2001 ws6 nailed it.
That was the venture capital i was talking about, you really need to do 100 piece runs, minimum, 1000 would be more realistic for decent pricing.
The turbos, you would need to order in large quantity, ect.
then getting the custom hoses made, thats not a 10 piece minimum job either
The whole supply chain in any automotive environment, requires large volume.
and what i have heard/read, ect, the molds are in australia somewhere.
Ryan
That was the venture capital i was talking about, you really need to do 100 piece runs, minimum, 1000 would be more realistic for decent pricing.
The turbos, you would need to order in large quantity, ect.
then getting the custom hoses made, thats not a 10 piece minimum job either
The whole supply chain in any automotive environment, requires large volume.
and what i have heard/read, ect, the molds are in australia somewhere.
Ryan