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Old 05-31-2011, 03:16 PM
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I am running a comparable setup to yours and I had mine pinned with steel dowel pins. If I remember correctly when I was getting the motor put together this cost me about $250 bucks with the pins (machining, and pressing them in). It's not much but at those power levels it's almost worth the extra insurance. Just my .02
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Got the balancing done today.. Rods where 712 grams!!!!!!!!!!! WTF



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watching this one...
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Originally Posted by Fireball
glad you're an expert in this

my first turbo motor made 1200 rwhp, no detonation and severely walked the mains

ewww....warhawk heads
We've gone nearly in the 7s with stock block/crank, still running, freshened it up 2 years ago. Pistons had some scuffing
Had the used P bearings/pistons calico coated and back together.

Wasn't yours an LS2 aluminum block?
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Originally Posted by AES Racing
We've gone nearly in the 7s with stock block/crank, still running, freshened it up 2 years ago. Pistons had some scuffing
Had the used P bearings/pistons calico coated and back together.

Wasn't yours an LS2 aluminum block?
yes, ls2, but mains originally moved...thats all I'm saying. we tore it down after cracking the upper liner (60 runs at the 1700+ fwhp level) and the bottom end was nearly perfect with the exception of some very minor crankshaft flex. Of course this was after pinning them. this was even with very lightweight rotating assy.
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Originally Posted by Fireball
yes, ls2, but mains originally moved...thats all I'm saying.
Aluminum block has no where near strength of an Iron block. Even billet blocks the sleeves move when raced.
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what are we talking about, dollar wise to pin them?

EDIT: Looking good too OP, cant wait to see it all together
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Originally Posted by AES Racing
Aluminum block has no where near strength of an Iron block. Even billet blocks the sleeves move when raced.
guess GM wasted their money pinning the mains on the LSX then
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Originally Posted by JAX04
what are we talking about, dollar wise to pin them?

EDIT: Looking good too OP, cant wait to see it all together
Curious of this as well. In for the build either way
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Oliver LS1 rods are usually really heavy. You've now learned this.
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Originally Posted by Beaflag VonRathburg
Oliver LS1 rods are usually really heavy. You've now learned this.
I am guessing that's why they can handle 2400+hp
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being heavy has nothing to do with strength why do you think most high hp builds use lightweight rotating assemblies? I hope the smiley means you are kidding....

there is also a reason david childress switched to an ERL 6 bolt superdeck block while running in true street. don't worry you will see what the elders speak of soon young padowan...
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Originally Posted by Fbodyjunkie06
being heavy has nothing to do with strength why do you think most high hp builds use lightweight rotating assemblies? I hope the smiley means you are kidding....

there is also a reason david childress switched to an ERL 6 bolt superdeck block while running in true street. don't worry you will see what the elders speak of soon young padowan...
MM switched because he was blowing head gaskets. I have an O-Ring block and thick deck heads, should be able to see 30+PSI without a drop of water.
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Originally Posted by dreamls1
MM switched because he was blowing head gaskets. I have an O-Ring block and thick deck heads, should be able to see 30+PSI without a drop of water.
Well it was also a couple of other things, but that was one of them. With a block like this though you will be able to cut back on a lot of the problems you run into with the boost and power levels you will be seeing. Check this out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciuaMSN_V4I&NR=1


Added: So he was having bottom end stability issues, and the heads lifting everytime he pushed it was the icing on the cake, along with having the potential to run hot after circulating exhaust gases into the radiator and the car running hot. I dunno how much actual street driving this car will see with a glide, but I think the superdeck treatment and/or 6 bolt heads are a must at the power level you, fireball, prostock john, MM, and countless other's approach daily and weekly at the track. I don't plan on right now ever throwing enough power at my car to have this problem, but if I did I would put my money in an ERL superdeck block for sure.

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....This looks like a fun build, you got any pics of the car?

good luck I hope you reach your goal with it!
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Well, one thing can be said, We all wish you the best of luck, but we are gonna see for sure how well an Iron 4bolt o'ringed head/block combo can do.

I personally hope you/we are all pleasantly surprised!
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Originally Posted by Fbodyjunkie06
there is also a reason david childress switched to an ERL 6 bolt superdeck block while running in true street.
I'd have to agree some things shouldn't be attempted without sufficient budget, however ERL 6 bolt block and 6 bolt heads come at a price.

Jon is on a budget and making the most of it.

I'd take his warhawk heads over 317 heads.
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Originally Posted by AES Racing
I'd have to agree some things shouldn't be attempted without sufficient budget, however ERL 6 bolt block and 6 bolt heads come at a price.

Jon is on a budget and making the most of it.

I'd take his warhawk heads over 317 heads.

Thanks Fraser!

I love the ERL block and wouldnt think twice about getting one if money wasnt an issue. We are hopping to put this together and run some awesome times with want we have an hope some more sponsors will pick is up for next year.

A lot of people hate and say things cant be done, how many people would have said that stock rods would handle 900+hp without any issue? Not many but we took our old engine to that level and amazied a lot of people.

Cross your fingers and wish us luck, we doing the best we can with what we have!
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Originally Posted by dreamls1
we doing the best we can with what we have!

And this is whats its all about! I look forward to the results! Best of luck guys!

And besides, didnt that guy from over seas do some pretty incredible things with o'rings?
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What 2 Step should we run?????


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