Best intake for forced induction...
I was just reading in another thread you posted in telling a guy that his elbow and carb intake was going to grenade his motor by running the front cylinders rich and the rears lean because of air distribution with high boost. I wasn't aware of this until I read your posts. I find a lot of info very valuable in the F/I section from you, josh at ky, fireball, MM and so on. I don't know why some people won't take it from people who have obviously been there and done that more times than they can or would like to count.
Running an Elbow and a car intake does not guarantee you engine will blow up. And I don’t think anyone actually said that. I would hazard to guess there are as much or more boosted motors running some kind of carb intake and some sort of Elbow than any other intake setup out there. If you have about a day, look at this thread and you will see plenty of them. http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=51574 It is true that a purpose built sheet metal will flow more even than a carb intake and a elbow... But if someone tells you "it will blow up you motor"...
the sheetmetal flowing more is not nearly as critical as having equal flow to your cylinders
the fact is you can run a carb style intake on a high hp motor and not have it blow up IF your running egt sensors on each exhaust port and tune it around the distribution problems
but doing this your not using a ton of potential of your motor, plus a the cost of a good egt setup and the time tuning, makes your saving on a cheap intake mute
i think your missing the point .....
the sheetmetal flowing more is not nearly as critical as having equal flow to your cylinders
the fact is you can run a carb style intake on a high hp motor and not have it blow up IF your running egt sensors on each exhaust port and tune it around the distribution problems
but doing this your not using a ton of potential of your motor, plus a the cost of a good egt setup and the time tuning, makes your saving on a cheap intake mute
the sheetmetal flowing more is not nearly as critical as having equal flow to your cylinders
the fact is you can run a carb style intake on a high hp motor and not have it blow up IF your running egt sensors on each exhaust port and tune it around the distribution problems
but doing this your not using a ton of potential of your motor, plus a the cost of a good egt setup and the time tuning, makes your saving on a cheap intake mute
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I never stated that by running a carb style intake and an elbow you will blow your motor...... If you run a carb style intake + elbow, when you start leaning on it you will have serious issues with airflow distribution. I do not know one person that has been problem free with an elbow/carb manifold once they started getting after it.
Bottom line is a motor that has better airflow distribution will make more power than a motor that has some cylinders running at 11.5:1, some at 12.0 and some at 11.0.
Bottom line is a motor that has better airflow distribution will make more power than a motor that has some cylinders running at 11.5:1, some at 12.0 and some at 11.0.
I never stated that by running a carb style intake and an elbow you will blow your motor...... If you run a carb style intake + elbow, when you start leaning on it you will have serious issues with airflow distribution. I do not know one person that has been problem free with an elbow/carb manifold once they started getting after it.
Bottom line is a motor that has better airflow distribution will make more power than a motor that has some cylinders running at 11.5:1, some at 12.0 and some at 11.0.
Bottom line is a motor that has better airflow distribution will make more power than a motor that has some cylinders running at 11.5:1, some at 12.0 and some at 11.0.
I never stated that by running a carb style intake and an elbow you will blow your motor...... If you run a carb style intake + elbow, when you start leaning on it you will have serious issues with airflow distribution. I do not know one person that has been problem free with an elbow/carb manifold once they started getting after it.
Bottom line is a motor that has better airflow distribution will make more power than a motor that has some cylinders running at 11.5:1, some at 12.0 and some at 11.0.
Bottom line is a motor that has better airflow distribution will make more power than a motor that has some cylinders running at 11.5:1, some at 12.0 and some at 11.0.
I agree, so what has become of the intake that Marcella was designing and VA speed was testing that was supposed to fit on the f-body?
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Brian just recently added EGTs based on testing last year. IMO airflow distribution played a role in the last motors demise. You guys can believe whatever you want. We are working on modifications to make a carb style/elbow work better. We(Brian/Shawn/Myself) all think that airflow distribution played a role in Brians car missfiring at high RPM after they added the crank trigger.
Bottom line is when you start pushing any combo, doesn't need to make 2000hp, past the point where tuning becomes super critical(could be a 800hp turbo motor) you could end up hurting parts due.
All joking aside, air flow distribution doesn't matter on these motors. I just like trying to get people to buy parts they dont need.
Bottom line is when you start pushing any combo, doesn't need to make 2000hp, past the point where tuning becomes super critical(could be a 800hp turbo motor) you could end up hurting parts due.
All joking aside, air flow distribution doesn't matter on these motors. I just like trying to get people to buy parts they dont need.
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Here is someone making big power with a carb intake and an elbow, who is having distribution problems. He does have EGT probes as well.
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...postcount=1462
Sean
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...postcount=1462
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Iam a nobody but was wondering with a taper like that towards the rear that is a high pressure area to the rear 4 cylinders ,, I mean it looks nice but dont you think ideally you would want something like this for equal volume ?
http://50mustangsuperfords.automotiv...hotos27-0.html
This guy runs 50 psi + of boost ,with egts in the 1700s and hardly ever hurts a motor ....shifting at 10,000 rpm..
http://50mustangsuperfords.automotiv...hotos27-0.html
This guy runs 50 psi + of boost ,with egts in the 1700s and hardly ever hurts a motor ....shifting at 10,000 rpm..
im currently working with a very reputable intake builder to possibly start making sheetmetal intakes that would fit on a fbody and be responsibly priced
Iam a nobody but was wondering with a taper like that towards the rear that is a high pressure area to the rear 4 cylinders ,, I mean it looks nice but dont you think ideally you would want something like this for equal volume ?
http://50mustangsuperfords.automotiv...hotos27-0.html
This guy runs 50 psi + of boost ,with egts in the 1700s and hardly ever hurts a motor ....shifting at 10,000 rpm..
http://50mustangsuperfords.automotiv...hotos27-0.html
This guy runs 50 psi + of boost ,with egts in the 1700s and hardly ever hurts a motor ....shifting at 10,000 rpm..
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You wouldn't be able to see over the cowl that would be needed to run that thing!
Looks like a great idea though and an awesome design.
And to be clear I am not saying anyone with a carb intake and elbow is going to blow their motor. It is a fine line where it comes into play like Phil keeps saying over and over.
I take a lot of info on this site with a grain of salt, but when people like phil and his compadre's speak up I listen closely. I think other's should too sometimes.
Looks like a great idea though and an awesome design.
And to be clear I am not saying anyone with a carb intake and elbow is going to blow their motor. It is a fine line where it comes into play like Phil keeps saying over and over.
I take a lot of info on this site with a grain of salt, but when people like phil and his compadre's speak up I listen closely. I think other's should too sometimes.