john, turbotech had all of my factory guages working when it arrived back here EXEPT the tach. i got put in touch with Phil from DSW and got the lowdown on the situation to correct that as well.

so the answer would be 'depends on what you hook back up'
mine is piggybacked.. fully controlling the engine but stock ecm is still there doing everything else.

 

Yep...128mph scares me. I haven't ran that slow since 2001....

 

rob.. my post.. i agreed to your request.. leave?

 

bye...

 

This is the way I look at the situation and please dont think of my post as taking one side or the other because I am only trying to look at the situation in a impartial manner....

MM, you should just start a qmpsucks.org web site. Spout the anti-QMP stuff there. That way you can have a centralized place to make your points without everyone else on the net having to read through 20 pages of drivel in each thread on these forums. I've had my ups and downs with the QMP kit as well but I'm not dwelling on it every time I hear the acronym QMP.

RR, If he does make one, don't sweat the qmpsucks.org web site. All companies have a group of disatisfied customers that say how they hate this and that. I have a couple from my web hosting business (those customers have since left, and my support calls have dropped to nearly nothing) Doesn't mean that those people are always right. They are right in their own minds, but statistically they are a minority right? How many people are happy with your service? How many people are happy with your turbo kit? etc. You need a customer feedback page on your site, with customer comments. That is the easiest way to sqwash any bad comments found out on the internet. Just reply to MM's threads with a link to your customer comments page. No need to waste YOUR time trying to counter his point of view each time it's made.

To RR, "You will catch more flies with honey." To everyone else...Running the risk of damaging my own business :sigh: I'll say that every business owner knows "The customer is always right" is complete bullsh!t. Anybody in a service industry job knows this. Customers seem to expect the rule to apply because they don't want to feel powerless when involved in business transactions. News flash is that it's a rule that DOESN'T have to be applied. It's an option by the business, and to expect it from a business is ignorant in my opinion, expecially from a small sized business like RR's. If a business makes their point in a despute and the customer still doesn't agree...then that's the customer's perogative. If there's no binding contract to favor the customer, the customer can't do much else except move on to a business where they get that level of commitment. The customer has the right (because of that old paperwork in D.C.) to verbally blast anyone they want. There's nothing anybody can really do about it. If it really starts affecting your business Rob there's only a couple things that can be done( make customer relation changes, create a public relations campaign to counter the claims, or hire a hitman. j/k Dave lol.)

I'll be the first one to admit that I cursed RR while installing my turbo kit. I believe the exact words were "God Damn Rob Raymer." lol. Looking back there were several reasons for this. First and foremost was my impatience and "addiction like" behavior waiting on my kit. For the wait time on the kit, I read 2 weeks on the QMP site, was told 3 months when ordering, and finally wound up waiting about 5 months for all the parts. Was I annoyed? Yes. I got over it though. Secondly was my naievity that the kit I bought would be a perfect fit, easy bolt on. As a computer guy I'm used to having things plug-n-play, and didn't realize that there's actually some skill required when doing auto work. I buck'ed up and got it done. I am g'damn proud of the work I did, and with the advice from MM, the hose making skills of Buschman, and the hours of work put in by me and some other friends I got the custom fuel system assembled and installed. Once I got the car up and running though you never heard another "God damn Raymer" out of my mouth. Point proven, the QMP rocks.

I get asked why I have no track/dyno results on my car. It is because from what I can tell I washed the piston rings when I initially did my test drive. Someone (ME) forgot to clamp down an up-pipe and it popped off, thus lots-o-fuel, not much boost. I went through 3 sets of plugs trying to get the car back to the shop that day (1 mile round trip!!) Thus I believe that's the reason my car eventually popped the rings. Also, without a good tune, and a couple "show to your friends" joy rides, I think the rings had enough. I blame myself, not the kit or Rob Raymer.

I guess my point is although I've had some qualms with the kit, whenever I called RR he was always courtious with me, always appologetic if I had a delivery problem (6 injectors instead of 8), and always came through for me in the end. I never talked tech to the other guy there, John I believe his name was, simply because I wanted to talk to RR directly. I didn't call RR about fitment issues when installing the kit because quite frankly, I didn't want to be thought of as one of those ignorant customers that was calling every day complaining. I bucked up and got it done with a little elbow grease, rather than having someone "pamper" me over the phone from 600 miles away.

Needless to say, I finally got off unemployment, got my fat-*** tax return, saw what Raymer was doing with a stock engine and decided I'd go to the man to get my car done. He is after all the father of the turbo kit so he should know how to make my car an animal. From what I've seen he has really fine tuned the hell out of the stock PCM and that's exactly what I want in my car. Someone who know's how to get the stock pcm to perform. I can't afford fast or dfi right now so the pcm is what I got. I can barely afford the setup Rob has in store for me, but he's cutting me A LOT of slack on prices, trade-ins, etc. So for that he has my gratitude. Raymer has proven that the stock PCM can make insane power WITH alchy injection and 13psi. I'd like him to prove it again, this time using my car, and from what I've seen, and have talked with him about, and from my calculations, we should very well see an insane power result on my car when all said and done.

I hope RR will post the progress and results on my car here at ls1tech so he can keep you all and myself informed on the results.

Hopefully nobody got too offended by my 2 cents. If so, sorry, but I speak only how I see it.

=Rob=

 

My understanding is that they make a harness that will let you use all factory gauges and most sensors, without splicing. Piggy-backing the stock PCM, thus letting you keep the stock PCM in tact for emissions. Just my understanding though, Joe Overton or someone from Accel would know best.

 

well said rob, can't wait to talk about it all over a beer or 6 this summer.

 

I hope it's okay that I post here one more time. Because I just want to say that I COMPLETELY agree with EVERYTHING Blue02 said. I fully admit that I am quick to get defensive, and yes, even sometimes "stir the pot" a little. (I said a little!)

I hope it won't be much longer before we can put all of this behind us and get back to the reason we do what we do. Have fun building fast streetcars.

I for one am looking forward to all of us being at the same track, at the same time, and showing our best.

 

02Blue - Will you be my and MM's marriage counselor from now on?

 

You got it Rob. I think I found a new calling if web hosting doesn't work out. I'll buy everybody the first round.

 

Oh O.K. good example

 

I don't understand the correlation between the two statements, but if you honestly think it's a good example of something, than I'm glad I could help with some insight.

 

dam, you guys are nuts!
Im in on that race you speek of. just make it a good spot (close to me)
I can set up a boxing ring in my back yard if you want.

 

I'd like to see them go at it in those big sumo suits. lol. I'll be the ref.

 

Bring your gigantic egos and cars to NvsS and run the blower cars (and lose). I can keep saying this until Mike Brown starts posting in this thread.

 

 

Always starting crap. lol.

 

Now that's how you talk some smack! Show em what a black belt can do

 

Besides slip and break? bwahahaha.

 

E'rybody was Kung Fu fightin'
Those cats were fast as lightnin'
In fact, it as a little bit fright'nin'
'Cause they did it with expert timin'

Oh, ho, ho hohhhhh!
Oh, ho, ho hohhhhh!

There was smarty-mouth Mighty Mouse ... and quick-draw, snappin' Rob
MM said, here come big Rob. Hoo Ha! Let's get it on!
They burned out at the pit, and lined up at the tree
Took off; dust in one lane and smoke in the other was all ya see
A look at the trap speed made me wince
Both only 11 and some odd pence!

Every was Kung Fu Fightin'....