Kuwaiti 370ci TC76 l92 max safe power
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A bigger AR exhuast housing would help.
I think 17 psi, with a smaller turbo is just too much on straight pump gas,
back pressure and intake temps would be very high, leading to a high chance of detonation.
I personally would add a meth kit for anything on pump gas pushing 15 plus psi boost.
#24
Again fuel was plenty all through dyno tuning never leaned out...
#25
You can only do so much on pump gas. Driving on the street is much different than the dyno.
I would get some race gas and methanol injection. Tune it on the street and watch knock. See what it will take as far as boost and timing.
I would get some race gas and methanol injection. Tune it on the street and watch knock. See what it will take as far as boost and timing.
#26
Low compression+(at least 93 octane) pump gas , should be good for 700-800whp on a good tune and good engine i think
#27
The other time was just two weeks ago, It was a cold night & it ran a little too lean plus I ran out of methanol. It went boom. **** happens on pump gas if you push it hard.
#29
My C.r. Was at 9.5-9.7:1 with -11 pistons and 67cc chambers, and i just got confirmation from a specialised lab on the pump gas here,it's 98 octane.
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Ever wonder why even forged motors pop cylinder #7? Surprised no one has said it, but this engine needs REAR STEAM PORTS! Everything thing else looked fine about your setup. Meth/water may have prevented this failure as well.
The other thing is the power handling of different blocks. IMHO, you are pushing an LS1 block beyond it's limit. LS2/LS3 blocks can handle more than LS1, then iron block can handle even more. It's like 650 crank hp for LS1, 950 for LS2/3, and 1150 for LQ9. I'm running a LQ9 block with meth for three years with no issues.
Here's a copy of an e-mail I sent to a friend of mine about steam ports:
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...-hp-setup.html
I used an LS6 front crossover pipe on the rear, bent the outlet at a little more angle and ran a hose along the side of the intake up to the front and joined it with the otlet of the other crossover with a brass T fitting...Working great...
GM Part Name: Engine air bleed
12602544
Anyways, 12604711 (two port truck) and 12602544 (two port LS1) are readily available at GM parts stores, Summit, eBay, etc. If you want a 4 to 1, you gotta go used.
If you need the little oblong washer/o-ring setups, they are PN 12551933 which are about $6 each.
(Some of these part #s may not be available)
LS6 part: 12568478
LS1 part: GM part # 12602544
f(ls1) pipe,eng cool air bl(incls 539-542)
(if prior to 2002 vehicle, must us 2 caps p/n 12602540)
4 into 1 tube = GM part# 12557538 Y-body '97-'99 LS1
bolts = GM part# 11514008 (without stud-head)
http://www.kurturbanperformance.com/...or-system.html
http://www.krcpower.com/catalog_i112...l?catId=366482
http://s41657.storefront-solutions.c...l.aspx?ID=3289
https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-in...4-why-7-a.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-in...on-system.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-in...cs-inside.html
The reason gm did it is because they didn't build the engine with 650hp. At 350 hp from the factory those steam vents don't do anything. I melted 2 forged motors on cly 7 not running steam vents on 93 octane at the track.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/conversio...-adapters.html
The other thing is the power handling of different blocks. IMHO, you are pushing an LS1 block beyond it's limit. LS2/LS3 blocks can handle more than LS1, then iron block can handle even more. It's like 650 crank hp for LS1, 950 for LS2/3, and 1150 for LQ9. I'm running a LQ9 block with meth for three years with no issues.
Here's a copy of an e-mail I sent to a friend of mine about steam ports:
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...-hp-setup.html
I used an LS6 front crossover pipe on the rear, bent the outlet at a little more angle and ran a hose along the side of the intake up to the front and joined it with the otlet of the other crossover with a brass T fitting...Working great...
GM Part Name: Engine air bleed
12602544
Anyways, 12604711 (two port truck) and 12602544 (two port LS1) are readily available at GM parts stores, Summit, eBay, etc. If you want a 4 to 1, you gotta go used.
If you need the little oblong washer/o-ring setups, they are PN 12551933 which are about $6 each.
(Some of these part #s may not be available)
LS6 part: 12568478
LS1 part: GM part # 12602544
f(ls1) pipe,eng cool air bl(incls 539-542)
(if prior to 2002 vehicle, must us 2 caps p/n 12602540)
4 into 1 tube = GM part# 12557538 Y-body '97-'99 LS1
bolts = GM part# 11514008 (without stud-head)
http://www.kurturbanperformance.com/...or-system.html
http://www.krcpower.com/catalog_i112...l?catId=366482
http://s41657.storefront-solutions.c...l.aspx?ID=3289
https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-in...4-why-7-a.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-in...on-system.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-in...cs-inside.html
The reason gm did it is because they didn't build the engine with 650hp. At 350 hp from the factory those steam vents don't do anything. I melted 2 forged motors on cly 7 not running steam vents on 93 octane at the track.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/conversio...-adapters.html
#31
Ever wonder why even forged motors pop cylinder #7? Surprised no one has said it, but this engine needs REAR STEAM PORTS! Everything thing else looked fine about your setup. Meth/water may have prevented this failure as well.
The other thing is the power handling of different blocks. IMHO, you are pushing an LS1 block beyond it's limit. LS2/LS3 blocks can handle more than LS1, then iron block can handle even more. It's like 650 crank hp for LS1, 950 for LS2/3, and 1150 for LQ9. I'm running a LQ9 block with meth for three years with no issues.
Here's a copy of an e-mail I sent to a friend of mine about steam ports:
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...-hp-setup.html
I used an LS6 front crossover pipe on the rear, bent the outlet at a little more angle and ran a hose along the side of the intake up to the front and joined it with the otlet of the other crossover with a brass T fitting...Working great...
GM Part Name: Engine air bleed
12602544
Anyways, 12604711 (two port truck) and 12602544 (two port LS1) are readily available at GM parts stores, Summit, eBay, etc. If you want a 4 to 1, you gotta go used.
If you need the little oblong washer/o-ring setups, they are PN 12551933 which are about $6 each.
(Some of these part #s may not be available)
LS6 part: 12568478
LS1 part: GM part # 12602544
f(ls1) pipe,eng cool air bl(incls 539-542)
(if prior to 2002 vehicle, must us 2 caps p/n 12602540)
4 into 1 tube = GM part# 12557538 Y-body '97-'99 LS1
bolts = GM part# 11514008 (without stud-head)
http://www.kurturbanperformance.com/...or-system.html
http://www.krcpower.com/catalog_i112...l?catId=366482
http://s41657.storefront-solutions.c...l.aspx?ID=3289
https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-in...4-why-7-a.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-in...on-system.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-in...cs-inside.html
The reason gm did it is because they didn't build the engine with 650hp. At 350 hp from the factory those steam vents don't do anything. I melted 2 forged motors on cly 7 not running steam vents on 93 octane at the track.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/conversio...-adapters.html
The other thing is the power handling of different blocks. IMHO, you are pushing an LS1 block beyond it's limit. LS2/LS3 blocks can handle more than LS1, then iron block can handle even more. It's like 650 crank hp for LS1, 950 for LS2/3, and 1150 for LQ9. I'm running a LQ9 block with meth for three years with no issues.
Here's a copy of an e-mail I sent to a friend of mine about steam ports:
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...-hp-setup.html
I used an LS6 front crossover pipe on the rear, bent the outlet at a little more angle and ran a hose along the side of the intake up to the front and joined it with the otlet of the other crossover with a brass T fitting...Working great...
GM Part Name: Engine air bleed
12602544
Anyways, 12604711 (two port truck) and 12602544 (two port LS1) are readily available at GM parts stores, Summit, eBay, etc. If you want a 4 to 1, you gotta go used.
If you need the little oblong washer/o-ring setups, they are PN 12551933 which are about $6 each.
(Some of these part #s may not be available)
LS6 part: 12568478
LS1 part: GM part # 12602544
f(ls1) pipe,eng cool air bl(incls 539-542)
(if prior to 2002 vehicle, must us 2 caps p/n 12602540)
4 into 1 tube = GM part# 12557538 Y-body '97-'99 LS1
bolts = GM part# 11514008 (without stud-head)
http://www.kurturbanperformance.com/...or-system.html
http://www.krcpower.com/catalog_i112...l?catId=366482
http://s41657.storefront-solutions.c...l.aspx?ID=3289
https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-in...4-why-7-a.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-in...on-system.html
https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-in...cs-inside.html
The reason gm did it is because they didn't build the engine with 650hp. At 350 hp from the factory those steam vents don't do anything. I melted 2 forged motors on cly 7 not running steam vents on 93 octane at the track.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/conversio...-adapters.html
Thanks again
#32
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I've read about this but never gave it much thought, thanks great read, guess it was a heat issue on #7 since every other thing seems ok, my engine has been running a little hot even with an electric water pump and high flow fans, and if steam porting the heads would bring the temps down i can't say it is not worth doing.
Thanks again
Thanks again
Anyway, glad I could help and good luck with your next build.