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Old 06-29-2012, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by black-sinner
But ofcourse undersized turbine wheel is NOT the cause for my engine breaking, right??
It will cause the 370 to choke and power to fall off even earlier than the 347.
A bigger AR exhuast housing would help.

I think 17 psi, with a smaller turbo is just too much on straight pump gas,
back pressure and intake temps would be very high, leading to a high chance of detonation.

I personally would add a meth kit for anything on pump gas pushing 15 plus psi boost.
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Originally Posted by black-sinner
But ofcourse undersized turbine wheel is NOT the cause for my engine breaking, right??
I don't think so.. I think it could of been bad fuel or timing! Are you on e85 let me re-read
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60's sound pretty small for 750rw...

Whats your base fuel pressure? 1:1 regulator?
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Originally Posted by stoverz28
60's sound pretty small for 750rw...

Whats your base fuel pressure? 1:1 regulator?
Base fuel pressure is at 55psi , twin aeromotive 340 pumps intank , -8 feed line, aeromotive fuel pressure regulator boost referrenced (hits about 75psi on WOT i think) , oem line as return, #60 siemens injectors ( not sure about the brand name) f.a.s.t. Billet fuel rails.

Again fuel was plenty all through dyno tuning never leaned out...
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You can only do so much on pump gas. Driving on the street is much different than the dyno.

I would get some race gas and methanol injection. Tune it on the street and watch knock. See what it will take as far as boost and timing.
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Originally Posted by code4
You can only do so much on pump gas. Driving on the street is much different than the dyno.

I would get some race gas and methanol injection. Tune it on the street and watch knock. See what it will take as far as boost and timing.
A race gas tune was in my plan, but i expected the engine to last more than 4 days! Meth isn't something that i would consider at this time.

Low compression+(at least 93 octane) pump gas , should be good for 700-800whp on a good tune and good engine i think
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Originally Posted by black-sinner
A race gas tune was in my plan, but i expected the engine to last more than 4 days! Meth isn't something that i would consider at this time.

Low compression+(at least 93 octane) pump gas , should be good for 700-800whp on a good tune and good engine i think
I have smoked a couple of pistons on pump has at that level of horsepower. Once because my intake temperature got too high.

The other time was just two weeks ago, It was a cold night & it ran a little too lean plus I ran out of methanol. It went boom. **** happens on pump gas if you push it hard.
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11.5 compression with pump gas and 17psi? and your heads lifted?? id start there.

ive run 18psi with my 5.3 on 9.1:1 compression and meth injection with good results.
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Originally Posted by got-a-ls1
11.5 compression with pump gas and 17psi? and your heads lifted?? id start there.

ive run 18psi with my 5.3 on 9.1:1 compression and meth injection with good results.
My C.r. Was at 9.5-9.7:1 with -11 pistons and 67cc chambers, and i just got confirmation from a specialised lab on the pump gas here,it's 98 octane.
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Ever wonder why even forged motors pop cylinder #7? Surprised no one has said it, but this engine needs REAR STEAM PORTS! Everything thing else looked fine about your setup. Meth/water may have prevented this failure as well.

The other thing is the power handling of different blocks. IMHO, you are pushing an LS1 block beyond it's limit. LS2/LS3 blocks can handle more than LS1, then iron block can handle even more. It's like 650 crank hp for LS1, 950 for LS2/3, and 1150 for LQ9. I'm running a LQ9 block with meth for three years with no issues.

Here's a copy of an e-mail I sent to a friend of mine about steam ports:

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...-hp-setup.html

I used an LS6 front crossover pipe on the rear, bent the outlet at a little more angle and ran a hose along the side of the intake up to the front and joined it with the otlet of the other crossover with a brass T fitting...Working great...

GM Part Name: Engine air bleed
12602544

Anyways, 12604711 (two port truck) and 12602544 (two port LS1) are readily available at GM parts stores, Summit, eBay, etc. If you want a 4 to 1, you gotta go used.

If you need the little oblong washer/o-ring setups, they are PN 12551933 which are about $6 each.

(Some of these part #s may not be available)

LS6 part: 12568478

LS1 part: GM part # 12602544
f(ls1) pipe,eng cool air bl(incls 539-542)
(if prior to 2002 vehicle, must us 2 caps p/n 12602540)

4 into 1 tube = GM part# 12557538 Y-body '97-'99 LS1
bolts = GM part# 11514008 (without stud-head)

http://www.kurturbanperformance.com/...or-system.html

http://www.krcpower.com/catalog_i112...l?catId=366482

http://s41657.storefront-solutions.c...l.aspx?ID=3289

https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-in...4-why-7-a.html

https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-in...on-system.html

https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-in...cs-inside.html

The reason gm did it is because they didn't build the engine with 650hp. At 350 hp from the factory those steam vents don't do anything. I melted 2 forged motors on cly 7 not running steam vents on 93 octane at the track.

https://ls1tech.com/forums/conversio...-adapters.html
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Originally Posted by white01ss
Ever wonder why even forged motors pop cylinder #7? Surprised no one has said it, but this engine needs REAR STEAM PORTS! Everything thing else looked fine about your setup. Meth/water may have prevented this failure as well.

The other thing is the power handling of different blocks. IMHO, you are pushing an LS1 block beyond it's limit. LS2/LS3 blocks can handle more than LS1, then iron block can handle even more. It's like 650 crank hp for LS1, 950 for LS2/3, and 1150 for LQ9. I'm running a LQ9 block with meth for three years with no issues.

Here's a copy of an e-mail I sent to a friend of mine about steam ports:

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...-hp-setup.html

I used an LS6 front crossover pipe on the rear, bent the outlet at a little more angle and ran a hose along the side of the intake up to the front and joined it with the otlet of the other crossover with a brass T fitting...Working great...

GM Part Name: Engine air bleed
12602544

Anyways, 12604711 (two port truck) and 12602544 (two port LS1) are readily available at GM parts stores, Summit, eBay, etc. If you want a 4 to 1, you gotta go used.

If you need the little oblong washer/o-ring setups, they are PN 12551933 which are about $6 each.

(Some of these part #s may not be available)

LS6 part: 12568478

LS1 part: GM part # 12602544
f(ls1) pipe,eng cool air bl(incls 539-542)
(if prior to 2002 vehicle, must us 2 caps p/n 12602540)

4 into 1 tube = GM part# 12557538 Y-body '97-'99 LS1
bolts = GM part# 11514008 (without stud-head)

http://www.kurturbanperformance.com/...or-system.html

http://www.krcpower.com/catalog_i112...l?catId=366482

http://s41657.storefront-solutions.c...l.aspx?ID=3289

https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-in...4-why-7-a.html

https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-in...on-system.html

https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-in...cs-inside.html

The reason gm did it is because they didn't build the engine with 650hp. At 350 hp from the factory those steam vents don't do anything. I melted 2 forged motors on cly 7 not running steam vents on 93 octane at the track.

https://ls1tech.com/forums/conversio...-adapters.html
I've read about this but never gave it much thought, thanks great read, guess it was a heat issue on #7 since every other thing seems ok, my engine has been running a little hot even with an electric water pump and high flow fans, and if steam porting the heads would bring the temps down i can't say it is not worth doing.
Thanks again
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Originally Posted by black-sinner
I've read about this but never gave it much thought, thanks great read, guess it was a heat issue on #7 since every other thing seems ok, my engine has been running a little hot even with an electric water pump and high flow fans, and if steam porting the heads would bring the temps down i can't say it is not worth doing.
Thanks again
Honestly, I just found out about the rear steam ports a few months ago. Needless to say, putting them on is my next project. I'm assuming the alky control kit saved my motor these past three years.

Anyway, glad I could help and good luck with your next build.
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All great info guys, thanks a lot, i'm still wondering on HP output on my new set up, any guesses?



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